joyetech delta II vs Kanger subtank mini
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They're both good, I have both, actually several of the Kanger sub tanks and mini's.
For flavor I can't find a difference....not into clouds, so can't comment there.
For flavor I can't find a difference....not into clouds, so can't comment there.
I would lean heavily towards the Kanger.
Remember what Joyetech did with customers information (knowingly not protecting customers data, allowing credit cards to be stolen, telling customers the issue had been fixed all while knowing credit cards were still being stolen!). A quick search will give the details. I'd rather quit vaping than use a Delta.
Edit: should be noted they told people the issue had been fixed while the issue continued for over 2 months. Many people were affected.
Remember what Joyetech did with customers information (knowingly not protecting customers data, allowing credit cards to be stolen, telling customers the issue had been fixed all while knowing credit cards were still being stolen!). A quick search will give the details. I'd rather quit vaping than use a Delta.
Edit: should be noted they told people the issue had been fixed while the issue continued for over 2 months. Many people were affected.
Subtank insulators are melting down, rendering the whole unit useless... I'd go for the Delta II
The original Subtank RBA insulator for the positive block was breaking down when used with known tank cracker liquids. Kanger has since put peek insulators into production and has offered replacements for those that had a problem. There was no problem using the OCC coils. Quite a far shot from rendering the whole unit useless.
For the OP, I have a Subtank Mini and enjoy it. As a matter of personal taste, I think the Mini is better looking then the Delta II.
One big advantage the Mini has over the Delta II, is that the RBA base is included with the purchase of the Mini. It is an optional purchase with the Delta II, making the Delta II more expensive then the Mini to have the same features.
Another... Aw, come on, you don't really know the story, don't you? Kanger insulators CAN'T WHITSTAND HIGH VOLTAGES. Back with the T3, insulators burnt. Now they're doing the same. It's not the juice, because people report of the below insulator melting and rendering the whole base useless.. I've seen it before so many times I've stopped counting.
Oh yes. They make it appealing to people. They throw in the RDA to have you buy them. Truth is, it won't last you a month. You'd be better off buying something else. And... What about the replaceable heads insulators?
you have been very active in voicing how bad Kanger is and what a big mistake it would be for anyone to get a Subtank
if someone disagrees with you, you point out how much more time on ECF you have than they do
well I'm Dr. effing Vapenstein, and I have two Subtank Minis in service. They give me the best vape I've ever had, and the insulators in both show no sign of any deterioration after 3 weeks of use.
I'm sure there are people out there with legitimate issues. I'm sure there are people out there who the Subtank just isn't for them. Regardless, I would hate to have anyone get a false negative impression of ANY product just because someone with a chip on their shoulder blew up a forum or social media with their negative bias. A normal person's response would be to share their experience and offer their opinion. Once. To make some weird crusade out of it just seems like you're getting off on the negativity.
Personally, i'm going for the subtank mini. I like the added advantage of being able to rebuild the stock OCC, unlike the Delta. The RBA comes included, with an extra spare glass, whereas for the delta it's $10 more for the RBA section. But mainly i'm into the subtank mini for the ease of rebuilding the stock OCC, i've watched a couple of tutorials and it's so easy. I might not even need to use the RBA on the mini, if things go well rebuilding the stock OCC. The subtank mini is also easier to fill. I'd just make sure kanger cleared that insulator issue, then i'd go right ahead with my purchase.
If you're going to rebuild the stock oc coils, it really doesn't matter what Kanger does about the "insulator issue," because that's an rba issue.
I think Kanger's SubTank is the most impressive tank I've ever used. That won't mean much in countries where a man's credibility is judged by his Join Date, but I do speak from experience. I'm comparing Kanger GeniTank, MegaTank, and both AeroTanks, Aspire Nautilus and Atlantis, Full, Mini, and Nano SubTanks, The Lemo Drop, Youde Goblin, and since last night, the Delta 2.
The Delta 2 gives me a nic buzz on my usual juice, and it does whistle. I'm working on the whistle and seeing some promise with that. I might have to use lower nic, higher VG, or close down the juice control valve a bit. The SubTank Mini just works...
Don't get me wrong, i'm definitely gonna use the RBA section. The RBA is definitely a plus for me, given that i do not own a tank where you can have access to your build without draining your tank. I have a Lemo, and that's why i'm not very excited about the RBA section of the subtank mini, given it's size and the tiny juice channels. I'm more into getting a low maintenance, grab and go tank, which the subtank offers with the OCCs. Add to that i don't need to pay 13 or 15 dollars for a 5 pack every now and then to keep me going, ok i might do it once, but then i can "easily" rebuild my own. That's my main reason, but it does not mean i will not use the RBA section of the subtank mini, i will definitely get curious to try a few builds on it. That's why the "insulator issue" still matters to me. If i only wanted to rebuild the OCC, i would have gone for the Nano directly.
Haven't used the RBA yet, but I can tell you that I've been vaping for over five years, and the Kanger Sub tank mini is, for me, a game changer!
Fantastic flavor, comes with two OCC coils, replacement tube, RBA, cotton, pre built coils... but besides all of that, it simply works great!
Used my first coil for about two weeks before I needed to change it out.
No leaks, easy to use, easy to quickly change out the atty, easy to build RBA, easy to fill... what's not to like?
(I also don't care for the tiny slits you need to try to see through, to see juice levels, with the Delta II. Not an issue for eveyone, but I like to easily see remaining juice levels)
Fantastic flavor, comes with two OCC coils, replacement tube, RBA, cotton, pre built coils... but besides all of that, it simply works great!
Used my first coil for about two weeks before I needed to change it out.
No leaks, easy to use, easy to quickly change out the atty, easy to build RBA, easy to fill... what's not to like?
(I also don't care for the tiny slits you need to try to see through, to see juice levels, with the Delta II. Not an issue for eveyone, but I like to easily see remaining juice levels)
kanger has addressed the insulators for the rba on the subtank 25mm
subtank mini i have has the clear one and no issues after about 30refills using the rba
color of insulator in latest revision is tan for both 25mm and mini afaik.
kanger didnt waste time on fixing the issue as some other companys would of dragged their feet.
u can always wait for every problem to be addressed for any companys product b4 buying, but than of course someone comes up w/a newer product.
b4 u buy read about it and see if it interests u
subtank mini i have has the clear one and no issues after about 30refills using the rba
color of insulator in latest revision is tan for both 25mm and mini afaik.
kanger didnt waste time on fixing the issue as some other companys would of dragged their feet.
u can always wait for every problem to be addressed for any companys product b4 buying, but than of course someone comes up w/a newer product.
b4 u buy read about it and see if it interests u
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I'm interested in the sub tank mini myself. I've rebuilt kanger pro tank heads for years, and I am leery of rebuilding the OCC heads because of that. The issue I see is the rubber insulators burning because of hot legs. Happens all the time with pro tank heads and the taste is awful. Not sure with this design if you can twist your legs or not to reduce the issue.. regardless, I'm kinda done with rebuilding heads (loving my kayfuns), which is why I would want to use the RBA head exclusively. I don't know if the minis are shipping now with the new brown insulators or not. Even so, I'm not quite convinced this will work as it might be a design flaw, seems to me just looking at pictures is that the coils have to sit kind of low which might be heating the metal up and melting the insulators. I'm sure ceramic might be a better choice in materials here. Of course, I'm not planning on building super sub ohm (or even sub ohm coils) on it, so it might be perfectly fine for that.
Why would somebody want to re-build the OCCs? Isn't the RBA section infinitely easier to re-build...I mean, that's what it's designed for. (although, I understand the Nano version doesn't come with an RBA section).
For me, that 'grab and go' thing is over-rated. I own multiple RBAs (mostly Lemos) and I can guarantee that at least one of them will be in a 'grab and go' state.
I'm not knocking the Subtank (I'm even thinking of trying one)...just sayin'
For me, that 'grab and go' thing is over-rated. I own multiple RBAs (mostly Lemos) and I can guarantee that at least one of them will be in a 'grab and go' state.
I'm not knocking the Subtank (I'm even thinking of trying one)...just sayin'
It's "grab and go" in the sense that you will not have to go through the hassle of rebuilding and/or rewicking the RBA section every time you need a fresh build or fresh wick when changing flavors. Let's say you have 7 of those OCC heads (2 included + 5 pack), and you feel a bit lazy (like me sometimes
) to rebuild your RBA, you would just change the OCC head, fill, and vape. Let's say it's like having 7 RBA sections built, wicked, ready and waiting to be used. After you've gone through all of them, you can rebuild them all again in one session, and repeat. Personally, i need to rewick my Lemo and KFL+ (the only attys i own for the time being) every 2 or 3 days, of course i'll dry burn my coil while i'm there, and also disassemble my atty to give it a good rinse so everything is clean. If the OCC heads last me for a week per head in the mini, it's a win. Even if it doesn't last a week, i'll take it out and put another in a matter of less than a few minutes.
Given that the OCC heads have a reported very satisfying performance, there shouldn't be much difference between them and an RBA build, and you can still build them to any resistance of your liking. But i'd still be interested in building on the mini RBA section from time to time for a change.
If you're in to try one of the subtanks, i think the mini is a winner. YMMV.
the subtank mini has soooo many options to almost suit any1's needs, imho.
use stock coils either 0.5 or 1.2 ohms.
very easy to just rewick stock coils.
rewick stock coils w/whatever wicking material u prefer.
very easy to recoil stock coils to whatever resistance u want.
use kanthal or nickel
and thats not even mentioning the rba section.
all this for about $40 and user has option if they want to spend $ on new stock coils
i have one mini but buying more so i can have flavors on the fly
use stock coils either 0.5 or 1.2 ohms.
very easy to just rewick stock coils.
rewick stock coils w/whatever wicking material u prefer.
very easy to recoil stock coils to whatever resistance u want.
use kanthal or nickel
and thats not even mentioning the rba section.
all this for about $40 and user has option if they want to spend $ on new stock coils
i have one mini but buying more so i can have flavors on the fly
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I have all the Subtanks, and the Delta 2, and atlantis, I prefer the subtank mini.
I just ordered a mini. Those blocks next to the port screws are brilliant. That's what did it for me. I hope I enjoy the vape as much as I do on my Lemo, though. Now the waiting begins....
Y'all should go watch PBusardo's review of the Delta 2 on youtube. His intro is hilarious, i ...... myself laughing
EDIT: Not a very happy ending on that review. Joyetech seems to be using the same ceramic or whatever wicking material used in the Atlantis coil heads.
EDIT: Not a very happy ending on that review. Joyetech seems to be using the same ceramic or whatever wicking material used in the Atlantis coil heads.
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Y'all should go watch PBusardo's review of the Delta 2 on youtube. His intro is hilarious, i ...... myself laughing
EDIT: Not a very happy ending on that review. Joyetech seems to be using the same ceramic or whatever wicking material used in the Atlantis coil heads.
Yes I was just going to post this. Joyetech is using another mystery ceramic material inside their prebuilt coils. In the Delta 2, the ceramic material is the part in contact with the coil, unlike the Atlantis where a layer of cotton was actually touching the coil and the ceramic was behind that. And worst of all, Joyetech is advertising these coils as using "organic cotton." I wouldn't chastise them for using the material, but to lie about it is ridiculous for me.
Also, the RBA section is a chrome plated brass, while on the Subtank the RBA section is made of Stainless Steel.
So basically all the controversies that Aspire went through with the Atlantis (and is now reversing from), yet Joyetech is not getting the same pushback despite the fact that they're being pretty dishonest in their advertising.
Go with the Subtank if you care about these things. Subtank is easier to fill, disassemble and clean/dry, and is less power hungry than the Delta. As an added bonus, the OCC coils are cheaper.
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