Is It Necessary To Inhale Into Lungs?

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EvilZoe

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And of course let's not forget snuff. The nasal variety.
I promise you can get all the nicotine you could ever want with several pinches of snuff up the nose.


ETA: First time I've heard rolygate referred to as "some random dude" LOL!

And snus, as well.
 

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Perhaps you could enlighten everyone as to how nicotine gum and tobacco chew work then, since - according to your logic - they can't.

Go back and read my post again. I said it does get absorbed thought the mouth, but the vast majority is absorbed through the lungs. Chewing tobacco has fiberglass in it to allow more nicotine to get through you gums, and nicotine gum has to sit in your gums for 20min to an hour to absorb. Do you hold the vapor in your mouth for 20min to an hour? No, it's in an out in seconds if not fractions of and you're back to breathing air.
 

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Read the link I posted.

that link doesn't contain any scientific information, or links to scientific information proving the point.

There are tons of scientific facts stating that the lungs absorbs nicotine the fastest and gets to the brain in seconds, where as in the mouth its processes through your body giving you a slower delivery time.

I don't know where that guy got the micron size for ecig vapor but vapor can easily be 1-2 microns, where as cigarettes can range from minuscule (oxygen) to thousands of microns.

It also does not take microns to reach the pulmonary alveolus (what will absorb the nicotine), all the vapor needs to do is reach the pulmonary alveolis for it to be absorbed rapidly.
 

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And of course let's not forget snuff. The nasal variety.
I promise you can get all the nicotine you could ever want with several pinches of snuff up the nose.


ETA: First time I've heard rolygate referred to as "some random dude" LOL!

Yea, but I bet my random dude can beat up his random dude. :laugh:
 

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...Chewing tobacco has fiberglass in it to allow more nicotine to get through...
Oh kayyyy...

So anyhoo I've been playing with the not inhaling into the lungs and it's not nearly as difficult to adopt as I thought it might be.
Likin' this, adds more of zip to the exhale through the nose as well.

Peace and out!
 

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Please show me ONE ARTICLE saying e-juice is absorbed through the mouth, and should not be inhaled (or doesn't have to be). Just one. Because I can show you hundreds that cite "inhaled".
3 Absorption of Nicotine
Nicotine is distilled from burning tobacco and carried proximally on tar droplets (also called particulate matter), which are inhaled. Absorption of nicotine across biological membranes depends on pH. Nicotine is a weak base with a pKa of 8.0. In its ionized state, such as in acidic environments, nicotine does not rapidly cross membranes. The pH of smoke from flue-cured tobaccos, found in most cigarettes, is acidic (pH 5.5–6.0). At this pH, nicotine is primarily ionized. As a consequence, there is little buccal absorption of nicotine from flue-cured tobacco smoke, even when it is held in the mouth (Gori et al. 1986). Smoke from air-cured tobaccos, the predominant tobacco used in pipes, cigars, and some European cigarettes, is more alkaline (pH 6.5 or higher) and, considerable nicotine is unionized. Smoke from these products is well absorbed through the mouth (Armitage et al. 1978).

Nicotine Chemistry, Metabolism, Kinetics and Biomarkers
 

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Oh kayyyy...

So anyhoo I've been playing with the not inhaling into the lungs and it's not nearly as difficult to adopt as I thought it might be.
Likin' this, adds more of zip to the exhale through the nose as well.

Peace and out!

Wikipedia :"There are few reports confirming what additives smokeless tobacco contains, and it is very likely that brands vary in the kinds and amounts of additives used. There is a rumor that fiberglass is added to smokeless tobacco to increase the efficiency of nicotine absorption.[13] Although small, glass-like particles can be seen, this is due to the formation of salt crystals.[14]"

So it has "glass like particles"

Congratulations, you got one thing half right
 
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This is about tobacco smoke. I specifically said "E-Juice". Try again!

If you take the time to actually READ this peer-reviewed scientific article you will UNDERSTAND the point.

If you can't be arsed to do so then I'd advise you to refrain from further comment in the interest of preventing yourself from looking more foolish than you currently do.


You might also wish to attempt a little minor research into how the nicotine added to e juice is extracted in order to assist you further in your comprehension.
 

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If you take the time to actually READ this peer-reviewed scientific article you will UNDERSTAND the point.

If you can't be arsed to do so then I'd advise you to refrain from further comment in the interest of preventing yourself from looking more foolish than you currently do.


You might also wish to attempt a little minor research into how the nicotine added to e juice is extracted in order to assist you further in your comprehension.

So because you're unable to actually find one single article with one quote saying e-juice is absorbed anywhere but the lungs you're going to paint me as foolish as if you know how i look?

Zoe, here's a clue... If anybody here is foolish it's you... you're trying to argue against everything everyone knows about e-cigs, because in the end what i'm telling you is that you are smoking your e-cig wrong.

I suggest you pick up your e-cig, inhale, and stop trying to argue against the fluid dynamics, physics, chemistry, and most importantly common sense.
 

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Wikipedia :"There are few reports confirming what additives smokeless tobacco contains, and it is very likely that brands vary in the kinds and amounts of additives used. There is a rumor that fiberglass is added to smokeless tobacco to increase the efficiency of nicotine absorption.[13] Although small, glass-like particles can be seen, this is due to the formation of salt crystals.[14]"

So it has "glass like particles"

Congratulations, you got one thing half right

He is correct and you are wrong.

Has anybody else had it up to here with the snarky attitude the a lot of new people seem to have lately?
 

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If you take the time to actually READ this peer-reviewed scientific article you will UNDERSTAND the point.

If you can't be arsed to do so then I'd advise you to refrain from further comment in the interest of preventing yourself from looking more foolish than you currently do.


You might also wish to attempt a little minor research into how the nicotine added to e juice is extracted in order to assist you further in your comprehension.

Oh, btw, from your own article:

" there is little buccal absorption of nicotine from flue-cured tobacco smoke, even when it is held in the mouth"


You probably shouldn't have told me to read that article, because it says you are wrong.
 

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So because you're unable to actually find one single article with one quote saying e-juice is absorbed anywhere but the lungs you're going to paint me as foolish as if you know how i look?

Zoe, here's a clue... If anybody here is foolish it's you... you're trying to argue against everything everyone knows about e-cigs, because in the end what i'm telling you is that you are smoking your e-cig wrong.

I suggest you pick up your e-cig, inhale, and stop trying to argue against the fluid dynamics, physics, chemistry, and most importantly common sense.

Various formulations of nicotine replacement therapy (NRT), such as nicotine gum, transdermal patch, nasal spray, inhaler, sublingual tablets, and lozenges, are buffered to alkaline pH to facilitate absorption of nicotine through cell membranes. Absorption of nicotine from all NRTs is slower and the increase in nicotine blood levels is more gradual than from smoking. This slow increase in blood and especially in brain levels results in low abuse liability of NRTs (West et al. 2000). Only nasal spray provides a rapid delivery of nicotine that is closer to the rate of nicotine delivery achieved with smoking (Gourlay and Benowitz 1997; Guthrie et al. 1999). The absolute dose of nicotine absorbed systemically from nicotine gum is much less than the nicotine content of the gum, in part, because considerable nicotine is swallowed with subsequent first-pass metabolism (Benowitz et al. 1987). Some nicotine is also retained in chewed gum. A portion of the nicotine dose is swallowed and subjected to first-pass metabolism when using other NRTs, inhaler, sublingual tablets, nasal spray, and lozenges. Bioavailability for these products with absorption mainly through the mucosa of the oral cavity and a considerable swallowed portion is about 50–80%.

You only asked for one article. I gave you one extremely good one.

Along with that article I'd like to point to the community itself and the many users who actually know this first hand.


You're speaking out your backside, my friend, and being stubborn about it is simply making you look silly.


Oh, and just for the record....there has never been anything COMMON about SENSE.

Oh, btw, from your own article:

" there is little buccal absorption of nicotine from flue-cured tobacco smoke, even when it is held in the mouth"


You probably shouldn't have told me to read that article, because it says you are wrong.

Actually, if you look into the whole process and makeup of the nicotine used in e juices, you'll see that I'm quite right on the money and you are entirely mistaken.

At any rate, I'm done arguing with you.
 
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He is correct and you are wrong.

Has anybody else had it up to here with the snarky attitude the a lot of new people seem to have lately?

Correct about what? Fiberglass? That's exactly what I stated in the post you just quoted, although it does say chewing tobacco has "glass like particles"... hence me saying "half right".

Idk about the snarky attitude... mostly i've been noticing a lot of people with poor reading comprehension and an inability to comprehend basic scientific concepts.
 

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Correct about what? Fiberglass? That's exactly what I stated in the post you just quoted, although it does say chewing tobacco has "glass like particles"... hence me saying "half right".

Idk about the snarky attitude... mostly i've been noticing a lot of people with poor reading comprehension and an inability to comprehend basic scientific concepts.

^^^^lol


*says nothing more*
 

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You only asked for one article. I gave you one extremely good one.

Along with that article I'd like to point to the community itself and the many users who actually know this first hand.


You're speaking out your backside, my friend, and being stubborn about it is simply making you look silly.


Oh, and just for the record....there has never been anything COMMON about SENSE.



Actually, if you look into the whole process and makeup of the nicotine used in e juices, you'll see that I'm quite right on the money and you are entirely mistaken.

At any rate, I'm done arguing with you.
I JUST QUOTED YOUR OWN ARTICLE!! It said, SPECIFICALLY, almost no nicotine is absorbed through the mouth!

You can't just keep saying "OH IF YOU KEPT READING ON, YOU'D FIND THE PART WHERE I'M RIGHT! JUST KEEP READING IT'S THERE SOMEWHERE!"
That's not an argument, it's a delay tactic. For somebody attempting to argue (or debate, or whatever you call it) you've done little besides say "you're wrong" and say "I'm not playing anymore! WAH!" when i refute the few actual points you've made.

As for the quite cliche comment about common sense... I'm not so sure you recognize it when you see it... probably why you think it's not common.

Good luck not inhaling your e-cig. I hope you don't inhale, nicotine is addictive!
 
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Correct about what? Fiberglass? That's exactly what I stated in the post you just quoted, although it does say chewing tobacco has "glass like particles"... hence me saying "half right".

Idk about the snarky attitude... mostly i've been noticing a lot of people with poor reading comprehension and an inability to comprehend basic scientific concepts.

Glass like salt crystals are NOT FIBERGLASS.
 

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