IGO S .. boge cartos... and wth?

[paladinx]

I don't consider myself an expert, but I would say I am a intermediate vapor.. I played around with it back with the 510's and dse901s.. stopped using them than started again in Jan. when my mother passed away from lung cancer.. I have tried the volt, egos, kgo mega,, kanger pro tanks, t3's. some random clearomizers and cartos... Everytime I try something new I am disappointed. I didn't really care for the t3 or the kanger protank,, nor the viva nova.. I found the flavor muted and the vapor not as robust as using cartos..

So I went and bought an IGO-s rebuildable.. Everyone says how great the flavor is and yadda yadda.. Granted I am not an expert at building coils but I followed exactly what everyone else does.. and the flavor once again seems very muted.. Am I the only one out there on this planet who thinks that the boge cartomizers with a tank is better than everything else? I had really high hopes for this IGO, that it would give me a great experience .. but it didn't. IF anyone has any experience with RBA's specifically the IGO's and can give me some tips on why the flavor is so flat.. Would appreciate it.. I use it on a kgo mega which is like an ego twist.. but can go up to 6 volts and is 1200 mah.

So far boge cartos have given me the best flavor and experience out of everything I have tried.. The reason why I wanted an igo s or something similar is so i can get a really nice flavor to taste juices and not have to use up a whole carto just to try a juice


sorry for babbling

regards

 

[crxess]

Are you using a Multi meter to build your coils.
Need Ohm readings
How are you setting up the wick?
Did you check to be sure of no air hole restrictions? Mine had a metal tag hanging from being drilled. Filed/sanded clean inside.

I build a 1.2-1.4ohm coil over a folded 2mm wick on the fold end. Wrap the wick into/around the base edge . Can hole 6-8 drops with out leaking.

I also use Boge F16 tanks. Kanger T3 mini's perform as well but less capacity. RSST Tank is very nice but should be run off a Mod.

 

[paladinx]

I did the same crap it seems that everyone does on youtube.. I folded over the wick, and wrapped the coil around about four or five times in an even semi kind of tight fit around the wick.. I tried to mimic exactly what I see everyone else doing.. The resistance came out to 2ohms.. I am using an ego style battery.. I have no idea why or what ohms would be recommended.. The only thing I know is people for some reason or another who have mechanical mods like to go below 1 ohm.. but other than that, I don't know why someone would prefer a 1.6 as opposed to a 3.2 ohm.. When it comes to cartos people seem to like the higher resistance cartomizers. So I don't know why this is different.

I have tried a couple of t3's and the kanger pro tanks, I didn't care for them. It was very light and muted compared to a boge carto. But everyone loves them so who knows.

 

[iLovesRedBull]

I agree with you, my aga t+ cobra clone and especially the igo l suck. I had high hopes on the igo because so many people rant and rave. I get no taste at all, very little vapor at all and yea cartos do blow them away. The only thing that has cartos beat that I've found lately is my vmod xl with an hh357. That mod and atty combo changed my whole view on vaping. If you get the igo working let me know please because mine sits on the shelf collectin dust.

 

[paladinx]

I kind of get it to work,, but even if I get a decent amount of vapor the flavor is like bleh.. I was going to try the HH, but people said this igo s was better.. So i went with that unfortunately.. people will always say its as good as the coil you make.. like their is some magic technique.. but every video I see of them doing it everyone does the same exact thing. what makes wrapping coils different.. no one really explains.

Do you think I could use an HH atty on a kgo mega?

 

[CloudZ]

What wire gauge are you using? How many watts are you vaping at?

If you are looking for the best possible VTF, there is no question that RBAs are the best possible option. There is no magic to making them work right, but you do need to have an understanding of how everything works together to produce good clean vapor. It isn't just the power (watts) either; it is wire temperature, atomizing surface area, air flow, and wicking.

It's not exactly easy, but its not extremely difficult either.

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[iowajosh]

i'd try an atomizer from ikenvape to sample juice. I've had good luck with them. I guess it depends on whether you want a project or just to sample your juice. It is hard to get close to carto flavor. Air gets drawn through all the wet filler and it gets some flavor there.

 

[crxess]

Ego batteries work good between 1.8ohm-2.4ohm - Will work sort of okay higher should nor go much lower.

I love running them at 2.8 for warmest vape and most flavor. The cooler the Vape the less you will notice any nuances in flavors. sort of Flat.

I back off 1 wrap on that coil and give it a try.
I also use 30ga Kanthal wire on mine. Don't like the performance of nichrome at all.

 

[BlueSnake]

Something good for tasting juice are just unbridged atomizers. You can drip 3 or 4 drops of juice put in a drip tip and taste your juice. They come in ohms just like your cartos and for tasting they are great. Believe it or not they are more expensive than cartos but for tasting you can rinse them out let them dry and they're ready to go. I've been using 6 of them forever. This type of thing is what people used for dripping before the rebuildables were around.

 

[ScottP]

Everyone's tastes are different. Some prefer carto's and/or carto based tanks. Some prefer top coil clearos, some bottom coil clearos. Others prefer dripping while some hate it. The best advice ever given on these forums is simply: "Find what works for you and stick with it."

 

[Sheila Michele 1971]

Not really sure how youre getting muted flavor on an RDA. I also find the higher the ohm, the more it tends to scorch silica wicks if there isnt proper wicking.

You can take a coil out to lower the resistance and trying vaping it at about 4 volts.
Some juices dont taste right at high ohms and high volts too....so try another juice.


When I wrap an RDA, I like to stick with no higher than 1.8 ohms and stay under the 4 volt mark. Sub ohms is a totally different animal.

And iLovesRedBull, where in MD are you? Im in Carroll Co but if you want some help on your RDA, let me know.

 

[paladinx]

Thanks guys for the feedback.. I am using a kgo mega..1200 mah.. Its kind of like an ego twist, but it goes up to six volts.. The coil I built is 2ohms. I vape usually 2ohm lr boge cartos and sr 3.0 ohm cartos. Both work fine on the ego twist.. So why would someone prefer 3.8 ohms, while someone else likes 1.6 ohms. I realize the lower the ohms the less voltage, but people are saying the less ohms the more power you need because of the ohms law formula.. Thats all great but which gives the better Vapor and flavor? With cartos a lot of people like standard resistance or higher resistance.. but when it comes to RBA's a lot seem to want lower or sub ohm.. I can't wrap my head around why it seems like theres such a huge difference.. Aren't they both the same thing.. wires wraped around some kind of wick

 

[Wow1420]

(Assuming the Igo-S is like the Igo-L) Make sure you position the air hole right next to the coil when you put the cap on. Not doing so means the air bypasses the coil and doesn't pick up the flavor.

 

[paladinx]

(Assuming the Igo-S is like the Igo-L) Make sure you position the air hole right next to the coil when you put the cap on. Not doing so means the air bypasses the coil and doesn't pick up the flavor.

Yeah I did that.. I basically followed exactly what people do on youtube.. Maybe it just needs a mod, but i still don't understand the difference between a viva nova, cartomizer, and an igo.. Isn't all the same thing.. a wire wrapped around wick? What makes one so different than the other.

 

[CloudZ]

What wire gauge are you using? Also, 2 ohms is a little high for an rba, you would be close to maxing out your kgo to fire it properly.

For example, wrapping a 1.5 ohm coil with 30 gauge wire is a good starting point if you are using an ego. You could also use 32 gauge, but you won't have as much surface area because the coil is shorter and the wire is thinner. It also would heat up faster but it might get too hot and burn your juice before giving you a good vape. Either way, your voltage would have to be north of 4.5 to truly take advantage of the design.

Many people run sub-1 ohm coils because they are using unregulated mods, which output battery voltage of about 3.7 volts. They also are using thick wire and pushing 20-30+ watts.

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[bfitz]

Yeah I did that.. I basically followed exactly what people do on youtube.. Maybe it just needs a mod, but i still don't understand the difference between a viva nova, cartomizer, and an igo.. Isn't all the same thing.. a wire wrapped around wick? What makes one so different than the other.

I wonder about this myself. I taste the biggest difference between a 306 atty and a carto. For me, I don't care much for carto's, I think they change the flavor the most. There are people who love carto's and that is what they use. Rebuildables all pretty much taste the same to me, wether an igo, aga, rsst, whatever. I prefer the rebuildables so that is what I use most of the time, but it might just be the opposite for you, which is fine.

It might also be the juice that you use. I have some very strong menthol juice that I like that tastes the same in whatever I put it in. But it is so strong that most people I know can't use it. I have other juices that I can't really even taste unless it is in a 306 or something like an igo. If you have one or two juices that you mostly use the different devices will change the flavor, maybe for the worst.

Biggest difference that I can think of between the delivery devices is where the coil is and how it wicks. In carto's you have the filling that feeds the juice to the coil. To me that filling changes the flavor. In vivi's you have the coil at the top which has to fight gravity to get the juice to it, which is why a dry hit is common. In the igo the juice sits in the wick right by the coil, which is why I think that you can get more flavor. Much like a debridged 306, the juice is just sitting there in a pool waiting to be heated up instead of having to travel anywhere. This of course is all just personal opinion and it might not be the same experience for you.

 

[crxess]

It is very much a game of balance
Best flavor is released from maximum evaporation. This requires excellent Power, a Very good coil surface, wicking design to maintain enough liquid wetting the coils to avoid a burnt taste.
Then you have the negative effect of - Liquid Cools Coils - All about balance.

 

[paladinx]

What wire gauge are you using? Also, 2 ohms is a little high for an rba, you would be close to maxing out your kgo to fire it properly.

For example, wrapping a 1.5 ohm coil with 30 gauge wire is a good starting point if you are using an ego. You could also use 32 gauge, but you won't have as much surface area because the coil is shorter and the wire is thinner. It also would heat up faster but it might get too hot and burn your juice before giving you a good vape. Either way, your voltage would have to be north of 4.5 to truly take advantage of the design.

Many people run sub-1 ohm coils because they are using unregulated mods, which output battery voltage of about 3.7 volts. They also are using thick wire and pushing 20-30+ watts.

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Thanks for the feedback.. can I ask why 1.5 ohms is a good starting point for the ego as opposed to 2ohms. I thought the lower the ohms the more power you need.. Most of the time I am using 2 or 3 ohm cartomizers. I still haven't wrapped my head around why different ohms are better or worse for the overall experience and different devices.. I understand that the less ohms the less volts you need to heat the coil.. but yet sub ohm you need low volts but tons of power.. some people like high rez cartos.. but when it comes to coils you build yourself.. no one likes high ohms.. I never heard of anyone building a coil to 3.0 ohms.. I just don't understand why this is.

 

[CloudZ]

More power (watts) means more heat generated. More total heat means more vapor, or hotter vapor (or burned vapor), depending on wire gauge.

Let's say you wanted to use a 3 ohm coil in an rba, and in order to get the wire temperature you need for your desired vape, you need 25 watts. You would need about 8.7 volts to accomplish this.

People use sub ohm coils because a single li-ion battery will put out an average of 3.7 volts. So super low resistance is required to get into the 20+ watt range. With a carto, any higher than 8 or 9 watts and you start burning things, which is due to airflow and wicking.

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[paladinx]

But see it still doesn't make sense to me.. you said if i build a coil at 3 ohms I would need some ridiculous voltage. why is that? I use standard resistance cartos and viva nova's that are 3 ohms or 2.8 ohms and rocking it at even as low as 4.8 volts works fine. Viva novas are practically the same crap as my IGO.. its a wick with a coil tied around it..