How many pulls???

[popeye79]

Hi all,

Yes, I'm a newb.

My question is pretty straight forward... how many pulls/drags do you take?

I actually counted on an analog. One camel crush = about 20 drags. So does that mean I should take 20 pulls off an e-cig to get the same effect? Due to the slow long pulls it seems really hard to do so.

Also, is there any data that says how much nicotine is in one analog? And how many pulls on each nicotine level (low/med/high) would equate to the nicotine in one analog?

I'm currently using an njoy mini (and yes, it sucks). After some research, I've purchased the Bloog maxfussion mini, and the Janty Jet XL.. still waiting on the mail though.

Does it make a difference in how many pulls one takes? The type/brand e-cig I mean.

Thanks in advance for any help in the matter.

 

[Rosco]

I just take slow draws, say for 4-6 seconds maybe. Heck, now it is such second nature, I'm not sure. 4 seconds felt good. I am using 24-36mg nicotine too. But I smoked for 40+ years, so this is easy for me and it has kept me OFF cigarettes for almost 4 months now, almost effortlessly too. Nothing at all has been able to do that for me. Nothing.
Using different PV's helps a lot too. I started out with a 3.7v device and it was what got me initially off the smokes, but then I went to a 3.7v bottom feeder and OMG, what a big difference, even tho both were 3,7v. A LR510 on a 3.7v really works well. Very well. It was like night and day in its difference.
Now I have the Buzz which is VV, Variable Voltage and I would never change now. Having said that, I won't get rid of my bottom feeder tho.
Just vaped and 4-6 seconds on a pull is what I'm doing.

Best of luck...you can do it.

 

[VAP3n00b]

Just vape until the urge goes away. That's what I do. Haven't touched a nasty in a month!

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[Morfeeus]

I just vape till the urge passes. I find myself hitting the PV on and off all day long instead of hitting it a bunch and then waiting 30-60mins like I did with analogs

 

[bigtimeweb]

seriously... I circular breathe this thing sometimes! Just puff till your satisfied...and I mean emotionally and physically. A lot of this is emotional for me, not that I'm craving nicotine but its a habitual thing. Your body will tell you if its too much nic. And if that's the case but you don't feel like you are emotionally satisfied, lower nic so you can vape more. Stick with a nic level close to where you were and you'll be just fine. I was an ultra light smoker, I buy 24mg and dilute it down to about 18. Sometimes 8-12. Sometimes straight up 24! But I cant do 24 all day long or Ill get a headache. You'll find your sweet spot in no time.

Grats on making the change

PS Popeye is scary like he got the botulism spinach!

 

[dormouse]

I vape more often than I smoked and take fewer drags. I take about 2-6 drags over every 10 minutes. I never sit and take 20 drags expect maybe first vaping after I wake up. I never smoked 20 drags out of a cig either. I would get maybe a dozen.

 

[MissKitty47]

When you first start vaping, you want to fill yourself with as much knowledge as possible about vaping, ecigs, etc...but honestly, just enjoy it! You will when you get your new toys and juice. It will be night and day. And just have FUN! You'll find your sweet spot in no time thru trial and error and asking LOTS of questions. No question is silly, k? The peeps on ECF are all here to help. I think that's another reason this quit is so different from ever before...I never had support before and this is niiice! Relax, kick back, and enjoy smelling like cookies rather than stanky analogs. Happy Journey!

 

[Rosa]

Vape to satisfaction, seriously. Don't worry too much about becoming even more addicted to nicotine, it's not likely to happen. It's the MAOI's in tobacco in combination with the nicotine that makes them so addictive. Remove the MAOI's and the battle is half won.

Just enjoy it

 

[Hypnophone]

I'm no scientician, but my research led me to the fact that nicotine ain't the bad guy in cigarettes. It's the thousands of other compounds that are evil. You won't get the hit same as a cig, but it tastes better and you can get as much nicotine as you want.
With the right hardware, you can get really big hits. You'll know when ya done gone too far...

Rosa, I dug up this little gem about MAOIs, it may help explain how all that other stuff in analog smoke works.
It's kinda technical and edumicatedey soundin', but here 'tis:

Human monoamine oxidase is inhibited by tobacco smoke: beta-carboline alkaloids act as potent and reversible inhibitors
by
Herraiz T, Chaparro C.
Spanish Council for Scientific Research, CSIC,
Instituto de Fermentaciones Industriales,
Juan de la Cierva, 3,
28006, Madrid, Spain.
Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2005 Jan 14;326(2):378-86

ABSTRACT
Monoamine oxidase (MAO) is a mitochondrial outer-membrane flavoenzyme involved in brain and peripheral oxidative catabolism of neurotransmitters and xenobiotic amines, including neurotoxic amines, and a well-known target for antidepressant and neuroprotective drugs. Recently, positron emission tomography imaging has shown that smokers have a much lower activity of peripheral and brain MAO-A (30%) and -B (40%) isozymes compared to non-smokers. This MAO inhibition results from a pharmacological effect of smoke, but little is known about its mechanism. Working with mainstream smoke collected from commercial cigarettes we confirmed that cigarette smoke is a potent inhibitor of human MAO-A and -B isozymes. MAO inhibition was partly reversible, competitive for MAO-A, and a mixed-type inhibition for MAO-B. Two beta-carboline alkaloids, norharman (beta-carboline) and harman (1-methyl-beta-carboline), were identified by GC-MS, quantified, and isolated from the mainstream smoke by solid phase extraction and HPLC. Kinetics analysis revealed that beta-carbolines from cigarette smoke were competitive, reversible, and potent inhibitors of MAO enzymes. Norharman was an inhibitor of MAO-A (K(i)=1.2+/-0.18muM) and MAO-B (K(i)=1.12+/-0.19muM), and harman of MAO-A (K(i)=55.54+/-5.3nM). beta-Carboline alkaloids are psychopharmacologically active compounds that may occur endogenously in human tissues, including the brain. These results suggest that beta-carboline alkaloids from cigarette smoke acting as potent reversible inhibitors of MAO enzymes may contribute to the MAO-reduced activity produced by tobacco smoke in smokers. The presence of MAO inhibitors in smoke like beta-carbolines and others may help us to understand some of the purported neuropharmacological effects associated with smoking.

Ya don't suppose that the PhDs workin' in the labs of Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds know about this, do ya?

 

[Rosa]

@ hypnophone:

*blank stare*


... hu?

J/K, of course they know.. or else they wouldn't do this:

quote:
"599 additives have been approved by the Dept. of Health and Human Services in April 1994 for use in the manufacture of cigarettes. None of these additives need to be listed as ingredients on the cigarette pack. The list of legal cigarette additives was created by the five major American cigarette companies. All of the ingredients are also approved as additives for foods, but none of them have been tested for what they become in smoke during burning.

A caustic and hazardous chemical called ammonia is on the list and is particularly useful because it helps convert bound nicotine molecules in tobacco smoke into free nicotine molecules. This process is known as freebasing which enhances the effect of the nicotine on the smoker."
Cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ps: here's the list of 599 FDA APPROVED additives for use in cigarettes.. please note that both PG and VG are on the list (vg listed as glycerol) despite the fact that they are not tested to see what they become - for some reason the FDA has no problem with their use as long as they are in cigs and not e-cigs.
List of additives in cigarettes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[intriqken]

I enjoy vaping, I love the flavor, the hit, the vapor,
Love it!
I also chain vape often, If I've nothing to do and am working on the computer or just watching tv I may vape with every other breath I take,
I love everything about it,
But I've also found that it's the flavor, throat hit, warmth, and vapor I love. Nicotine has become secondary,
I'm still experimenting for me but I just went thru a zero nicotine cart of tobacco flavor and enjoyed that as much as the 18 mg I am used to,

Today I've been vaping 24mg so I can't tell how much the nic is important to me, Tomorrow I'm going to start off with the zero and see how that goes until I start craving/needing the drug to satisfy me,
I think I will start ordering 12 and maybe 6 mg in the future because my e-cig is really satisfying me and nicotine may honestly be evolving to a secondary experience,
Perhaps soon I may get to zero nic as my all day vape, Who knows?
But in answer to your question,,,I chain vape so how many puffs is irrelevant for me, It would be easier to tell you how many normal inhales I do than how many vapes I take,

 

[Rosa]

....Nicotine has become secondary,
I'm still experimenting for me but I just went thru a zero nicotine cart of tobacco flavor and enjoyed that as much as the 18 mg I am used to,

One vaper threw caution to the wind and bought boxes and boxes of different mg cartomizers, emptied all the boxes into a tupperware or ziplock bag and vaped them at random. They said they couldn't tell the difference between x-high, med, low or zero nic. They did it as a test to show their subconscious that the nicotine had no hold on them.

 

[popeye79]

PS Popeye is scary like he got the botulism spinach!

LOL

The spinach is the only thing keeping him going! That's what Popeye would look like after years of smoking analogs. 8-o

 

[popeye79]

Thank you all for the quick and kind comments. I'm really hopeing that I enjoy this experience a lot more with the bloog and Jet on the way.. cause this Njoy aint cuttin it.

Anyway, I'd still really appreciate if anyone knows how many pulls = one analog. I know e-cigs are much healthier, but nicotine can still be pretty harmful (particularly to the arteries and heart); why do you think it's so dangerous to get juice on your skin.

So basicly I want to make sure that I DON'T vape more nicotine than I've been smoking.

Again, thank you everyone helping the stray nube.

EDIT.... PS... does anyone know where to get a large variety of small bottles of e-juices at one place in a sample kit or something? I'm talking like 20 different flavors.. the more the better, as I've never tried any and don't know anyone else who does this. I know taste is subjective, so I want to try as much as possible, for as little as possible, to find something I really like, then start ordering more, and possibly DIYing.

 

[Rosa]

To specifically answer your question would be impossible at this time because we have yet to figure out how much of the nicotine we are actually absorbing. Several studies have shown that it is somewhere in the range of 10%-40% of whatever we vape.

So for the sake of math (I guess) we'll assume that you used to smoke a pack a day of cigs that deliver 1mg of nicotine each: 20mg per day.

Now let's assume that you have chosen to use 24mg ejuice (that's the average), and you vape 3ml per day (that's average too)... then you'd use 72mg per day BUT you'd only absorb somewhere between 7.2mg and 28.8mg.

If you are going to use 18mg you'd get about 5.4mg to 21.6mg per day.

If you use 24mg but you only use 2ml then you'll get 4.8mg to 19.2mg per day.

Unfortunately, the math doesn't really end up helping, there are just too many variables and research yet to be done. One theory is that we each absorb it differently so we may never have a definitive answer.

 

[Cat_in_the_Playground]

Anyway, I'd still really appreciate if anyone knows how many pulls = one analog.
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So basicly I want to make sure that I DON'T vape more nicotine than I've been smoking.
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EDIT.... PS... does anyone know where to get a large variety of small bottles of e-juices at one place in a sample kit or something? I'm talking like 20 different flavors.. the more the better, as I've never tried any and don't know anyone else who does this. I know taste is subjective, so I want to try as much as possible, for as little as possible, to find something I really like, then start ordering more, and possibly DIYing.

Like an earlier member, I don't really pay attention to how much I vape. When I first got my PV, I was concerned about it. Unlike analogs, there is no defined beginning or end. I was really concerned that I would overdo it. That concern left a while ago. I used to chain smoke (especially at night), and now I chain vape - no ill consequences. In fact, I had gotten sick (headache and nausea) after a couple chain smoking sessions. That has never happened with my vaping. I used to smoke ultra lights. Now I vape between 11-6mg.

I don't know if there is a good way to figure out the equivalent between vaping and analogs. I have read different things about how you don't absorb as much nicotine from vaping as analogs. Dunno if it is true or not. I'm not sure that anyone has done a scientific study to figure it out. From what I've read on here, opinions seem to vary widely. I believe that is why I have seen so many people suggest that when starting vaping to use a higher nic level than you might think you need. That in addition to helping squash the body's cravings/withdrawl from the other chemicals in analogs.

I would do as others have suggested and vape until you feel satisfied. That's how most people decided when to start/stop smoking. We smoked when we craved it and stopped when that craving was satisfied.

Regarding sample bottles. Many companies have them. Some companies sample packs don't allow you to choose flavors/strengths/composition (PG/VG). Others let you choose from a limited list or from their entire library of flavors. Some make you have the same strength/composition for every sample bottle, others will let you choose different for every sample bottle.

If you have the time, go take a look at the suppliers forum - that will help you see many of the different companies available to order from. Then, just search their sites to see what they offer in terms of samples. Personally, I enjoy Velvet Vapors. Kat has awesome customer service. She offers sample packs of 5 bottles in either 3, 6 or 10ml for $12, $20, and $32, respectively. She has a sample of 3 bottles of 30ml each for $46. You can choose any flavor that she offers and each bottle can have a different nic and/or composition. Another thing I like is that you can choose any blend of PG/VG. My daily vapes are hers (Velvet Vanilla is the vest as is butterscotch, IMO). Her 3ml bottles are only $2.75 each.

Another vendor that is inexpensive is MadVapes. They offer 5ml bottles from 0-36mg of nic for $1.79-$2.69 (price depends on amount of nic you order). They offer 10ml bottles from $2.99-$4.49 (again, depending on amount of nic). But, you cannot choose your blend of PG/VG. I have not ordered from MadVapes, but have read good things about them.

I would say that I have read the most positive reviews about Ms.T's and Tasty Vapors. I look forward to trying juices from these two vendors. I'm not familiar with their pricing, offerings, etc, but take a look.

EDIT: CORRECTION - Velvet Vapors only allows you to select PG, PG/VG blend or VG.

The company that allows you to select your preferred PG/VG blend from 10/90 to 90/10 is FreedomSmokeUSA.com. I forgot to mention this supplier as well. You can order from 5 to 120 ml. Their 5cc bottles are only $4, and 10cc for only $6. Like you, I'm still testing juices to find my fave. I recently placed and order from them and ordered a variety of 5cc bottles. That way I didn't spend a lot or end up with a bunch of juice I didn't like. Many of the juices I received from them were excellent.

Thus far, my daily vape is actually a blend of FreedomSmokeUSA butterscotch juice & Velvet Vapors butterscotch juice (50/50 of each). Coconut is another favorite - also blended 50/50 of FSU and VV.

 

[NoMatches]

I found I needed mostly 36mg stuff, but I smoked 3 packs a day of M'boro lights. For me, I just don't worry about the nic content. I'm a month free of cigarettes, and that beast has to be tamed, then I can move onto how much nicotine I'm getting. I vape as much as I need to vape to kill my urges. So, I am not answering any of your questions.

I can suggest Vapor4Life for 5 pack sample packs of pre loaded cartridges though. You can get 5 coffee flavors, 5 tobacco flavors, 5 desert flavors, 5 fruit flavors etc. It's best to figure out how much nicotine you will need first though. I have some 8mg and 18mg stuff I'll never use now. I need the 24 and 36mg stuff.

 

[Secti0n31]

When I'm at home, I drip. So I will do 3 drops, 5-10 pulls, set it down, 3 more drops later etc etc. When I'm about to go to bed, I'll put in a carto and vape for 5 minutes, same when I wake up. When I'm out and about I'll also use cartos and will only take 1 or two vapes at a time unless I'm stuck somewhere for a while, in which case I'll vape for 5 minutes.

 

[SilverWorx]

@ hypnophone:

ps: here's the list of 599 FDA APPROVED additives for use in cigarettes.. please note that both PG and VG are on the list (vg listed as glycerol) despite the fact that they are not tested to see what they become - for some reason the FDA has no problem with their use as long as they are in cigs and not e-cigs.
List of additives in cigarettes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh boy ... thanks Rosa!!!

I love the fact that pg is in analogs!! It will make it easier when trying to explain PVs

 

[Moonflame]

I have found that even though I vape constantly at times when I'm surfing the web, watching TV, or riding in the car, I can go for a couple of hours without vaping if I'm busy. I can even get up in the morning and deal with whatever "only Mom can take care of" without vaping if I don't have time to vape. I could NEVER do that with cigs, I absolutely had to have a cig before I could do anything after waking up. Of course this is sometimes a problem because I could always put things off for a few minutes by saying I needed to finish my cig. The kids know I can just lay the e-cig down, plus I can't get away from annoying family members by going outside to smoke at family gatherings. Oh well, I'll take that drawback over all of the drawbacks of smoking any day.