How does 100% PG juice vape?

[Jin]

Hello all!
I made this thread because I'm curious to find out how 100% PG juice vapes in terms of flavor, throat hit, and vapor density?
I ask this because I recently found out that I have a nasty allergy to vegetable glycerin and the 50/50 VG/PG juice mixes I've been vaping have been causing horrible constant itching in the skin over my whole body. Apparently I'm quite allergic to VG, so even small quantities are definitely a "no-go", so if I want to give up analogs and vape instead it means I'm going to have to vape 100% PG juice only.

Up to this point I've been vaping 50/50 mixes from Vaperite in a regular old 510 and have been satisfied with the taste, throat hit, and vapor thickness but I'm concerned that going to 100% PG juice will reduce the vapor production I get to a level that just won't be satisfying. So I'm wondering if there there any ways to thicken up the vapor when using a 100% PG juice? Would switching a mod (or using a mega battery) with an LR atomizer help in this regard?

Also, I've been strongly considering moving to 510-T, since I really like the idea of the convenience of the tank cartridges. I started with regular carts and quickly moved to dripping since I found the constant need to top off the polyfill carts really annoying, so I have dripped ever since. I find tank approach really a attractive from a convenience standpoint (less stuff to have to carry around, especially since I already own a 510 PCC to carry spare tanks in), but I'm concerned that with a thinner all PG juice my juice might not want to stay in the tank and just run out and flood the atty once the tank is installed. Is this something I should be concerned about?

Thanks in advance and hopefully someone can give me some advice on what to expect from 100% PG juice.

 

[Rosa]

I use 100% PG. I like it because it has way, way stronger throat hit and crisper flavor. My experience has been that VG mutes the flavor a lot, I'm not a huge fan of it.

I haven't had any issues with a lack of vapor production. PG does produce less vapor than VG, but it's not like there's NO vapor. Also, I've used PG in all manner of systems including tanks without experiencing leaking of any kind.

BTW, way more people are allergic to PG than VG. If you've been using 50/50 mix, how do you know it's the VG that you are reacting to and not the PG?

 

[Jin]

Thank you for sharing your experience and advice Rosa!
My allergy to VG was determined by a doctor a few years ago when I was taking a liquid vitamin D supplement with a VG base and ended up getting really nasty whole body itching that wouldn't go away until I stopped taking the supplement for a few days. I actually totally forget about this little incident when I took up e-cigs and didn't remember it until I had been vaping for a few days and started getting that crazy skin itching again. Surprisingly it took me a while to figure out why this was happening and remember that I had an allergy to vegetable glycerin lol

 

[unfaithful]

I only use 100% pg juice. It gives you a really good throat hit, a nice and crisp flavour and a good amount of vapour, its perfect! I also tried a 50/50 mix and it didn't produce enough throat hit for me, but the flavour was much stronger than with pg juice.

 

[Jin]

Thanks Unfaithful!
It's really reassuring to hear that I'll still get good flavor and decent vapor out of a 100% PG juice. I have found the throat hit to be a bit lacking on most of the juices I've tried as well, so it's nice to know that I should get a better throat hit from 100% PG.

I'll be putting in an order for some all PG juices with Freedom Smoke USA on friday when I get paid and hopefully that will clear up the constant itching problem. It's a real bummer though that I'll have to give up vaping until the new juices arrive, since I've been really enjoying it so far (itching aside) and it's allowed me to cut my consumption of analogs in half without any real effort involved. If the all PG juices work out for me I'm hoping to quit analogs completely.

On a related note, is there anywhere other than Freedom Smoke USA that 100% PG users could recommend to get juice from? I'm sure I'll be pleased with the juice from FS, since they get lots of good feedback on here, but variety is the spice of life and I'd like to know what my options are for finding juice of this kind.

Thanks again!

 

[unfaithful]

I dont really know much about e-liquid suppliers in the USA, as I live in UK, but theres a "Forum Suppliers" section at the top of this page, have a look through them and you might find something. It can be difficult to find a 100% PG juice, because even though most of the juices are PG, there might still be a small percentage of VG addedd. Not all suppliers state that in the description, so make sure you email them and ask about it. The first ever supplier I used only stated PG in the description, but the liquid is quite clear and runny, which makes me think its 100% or slightly less PG content. VG juices are more thicker, which you probably have noticed. I also have some PG juice that are quite thick, because there is a bit of addedd VG in there. But if you have an allergy or can't tolerate VG, like me, make sure you ask a supplier before you order, just to be safe. I don't know about USA, but here they're quite quick when replying

 

[JD1]

If you know what you like, Madvapes has some decent prices. I buy their china RY4 and 555 quite often. I usually get something to cut it down as 24mg is a little high for me. If you don't know what you like, I recommend finding some sites that sell samples. It's a little more expensive, but pays off in the long run.

 

[Syfi]

Hey Jin,
Have a look at VaporReNu

Nu-Juice Liquid Refill

Great prices...Fast Shipping...and you can specify any type of mix you could ever think of.
Plus you can have different Vitamins added to the mix at no extra charge. Like adding B12 may help offset your skin itching!
The 100% pg shouldn't be a problem. I have the eGo-T and use 80%PG/20%VG exclusively and have never leaked.
Look around for the type B ego/ts which hold more juice.

 

[wv2win]

PG liquid is superior in throat hit and flavor.

 

[NicLiq]

Hi Jin, I might live close to you and would give you some 100% PG juice from liberty-flights to try (if you are over 18). I have Apple (more than 20 ml) and Hotel (maybe 10 ml, a tobacco flavor). You could have either if you want to see if it makes a difference.

I am in the east side of St. Paul often (shop at Aldi).

 

[dormouse]

You didn't try cartomizers? Boge standard resistance cartos are very nice on slim 510, and Ego etc can use hotter the LR ones too. I hate carts. I only drip to try juices. I like my flavors all separate, no shared atomizer. Cartos are a slight additional expense but I love them. Even if you get tank stuff, try Boge cartos.

PG is very thin and lets through the most flavor and the most of nicotine's TH and irritation. It makes weak non-persistent visible vapor that may disappear before you exhale it depending on the size of your drag.

And note - if you find juices that are only offered in PG then look at them suspiciously - they may be the same old Dekang Chinese juices (and at least one vendor gives them new names and sticks their own label on them). Other than Vapor4Life I only buy at places that offer PG/VG blends too because then I know they are making their own juices. And if I happen to want a Dekang juice (rarely) I buy it knowing I am buying it.

 

[ogredog]

I only use 100% wesson vegetable oil. Its smoky and catches fire but hey its cheap. Im kidding of course.
IMO you can (depending on the juice) get MORE flavor, downside is less vapor as everyone has said. Ive gotten some pretty
gnarly, harsh throat hits from some pg though, some not. it made my throat.....making the rumblys that only hands would satisfy.......hi five if you know what thats from

 

[swedishfish]

You can get 100% PG at Vapor Bomb.

 

[Sandybeach40]

Best flavor less vapor. Sometimes, some 100% PG juices produce very very little vapor. Its great for cartomizers and carts and tanks.

 

[studio52]

Uhhh...Hmmmm allergic to VG? Thats a strange one, maybe only when inhaled?..Because dozens upon dozens of food products incorporate VG in the recipes, you have no doubt ingested VG all your life without knowing it.

 

[Rosa]

On rare occasion, some people really are allergic to VG.

 

[swedishfish]

Uhhh...Hmmmm allergic to VG? Thats a strange one, maybe only when inhaled?..Because dozens upon dozens of food products incorporate VG in the recipes, you have no doubt ingested VG all your life without knowing it.

The same thing could be said of PG. If you read the health section, there are other people allergic to VG. I don't think there are a huge amount of people allergic to either one- I think I read 10% of people are allergic to PG, not sure about VG. But others have posted about it, so it's possible.

 

[wv2win]

You didn't try cartomizers? Boge standard resistance cartos are very nice on slim 510, and Ego etc can use hotter the LR ones too. I hate carts. I only drip to try juices. I like my flavors all separate, no shared atomizer. Cartos are a slight additional expense but I love them. Even if you get tank stuff, try Boge cartos.

PG is very thin and lets through the most flavor and the most of nicotine's TH and irritation. It makes weak non-persistent visible vapor that may disappear before you exhale it depending on the size of your drag.

And note - if you find juices that are only offered in PG then look at them suspiciously - they may be the same old Dekang Chinese juices (and at least one vendor gives them new names and sticks their own label on them). Other than Vapor4Life I only buy at places that offer PG/VG blends too because then I know they are making their own juices. And if I happen to want a Dekang juice (rarely) I buy it knowing I am buying it.

This kind of post is getting very old. First, stating that PG liquid causes "irritation" is just plain "bunk". There are easily multiple thousands of vapers who would not describe using PG liquid as "irritating". This is just misleading and completely subjective.

Second, there is absolutely nothing wrong with eliquid from China, as that is where the liquid and the personal vaporizer was invented.

Third, just because someone in their basement, garage, kitchen table in the US mixes their own PG/VG blend eliquid and sells it on their web site doesn't somehow make it a liquid that is better or safer than any liquid made in China or Great Britian.

Fourth, DeKang, which is a Chinse company, was the first or second company to ever make eliquid and has been doing it longer than anyone.

Fifth, just because a company has an agreement with a manufacturer to apply their own labeling to a product, such as Totally Wicked does with their atomizers does not mean the product is less well made and any inference to the contrary is pure BS.

Sixth, just because a supplier only provides PG liquid is not in any way a negative or suspicious issue. I can name several very reputable, well supported suppliers that do this. This is just more biased BS.

This kind of "biased, scare tactic post" does no one any good.

 

[Jin]

Big thanks to everyone for all the fantastic replies!
I'll have to try a couple 100% PG juices to see how I like them and see if the constant itching stops, and as long as the itching goes away I think I'll be able to tolerate a reduced vapor thickness okay. And if I just don't find the vapor thickness to be satisfying, then, well... I've been needing a good excuse to get a REO Mini setup to run an LR atomizer on for increased vapor thickness. lol

And, to Route52, I'd just like to take a second to clarify the nature of my VG allergy. I can tolerate very small quantities of VG in my diet with no skin irritation or other major issues. A tiny bit here and there in food has never been a problem for me. When it has become a problem is when I started taking liquid vitamin supplements with a VG base on a daily basis, which put a reasonably sizable quantity of VG into my body. The same goes for vaping. When I vape a juice with VG in it a dozen or so times throughout the day it doesn't take long for me to start feeling horribly itchy all over, enough so that it keeps me awake and unable to sleep at night sometimes. So I've never seemed to have any problems with the small amount of VG that ends up here and there in food products, but when I start regularly introducing larger quantities of VG into my body I start having problems.

Hope that clears things up!

 

[Jin]

Update time!
Thanks to the wonderful kindness NicLiq who posted on the last page I've been vaping 100% PG juice for the last 3 days. She lived nearby so we met up on monday and she gave me two big bottles of 100% PG 14mg juice from Liberty Flights, one Apple flavor and the other was Hotel. She also gave me a standard resistance cartomizer to try since I had never used a carto before.

So here's what I've determined from the last 3 days of vaping...
The biggest positive thing was that my itching has almost completely gone away. I still have a little low level itching, which I find a bit strange since I thought the VG should be all out of my system at this point, but I've been mostly itch free. But the fact that I am still itching a little bit makes me think it may be something other than VG that is bothering me. Smoking VG free juice has eliminated most of itching problems, but not all.

On the downside, I honestly don't think I'm going to be able to continue vaping 100% PG juice. It wasn't too bad at first, the throat hit was strong and rather scratchy, but the more I vaped it the worse my throat and lung irritation has gotten. At this point I've actually gone back to smoking analogs for the past few hours due to my throat being too sore to vape the 100% PG juice. After 3 days of use it's actually pretty painful to vape, the throat hit feels like someone is rubbing sandpaper inside my throat and leaves a burning feeling in my lungs. In short, it's really painful and is making my eyes water when I vape it, so I'm thinking 100% PG juice isn't going to be a viable vaping option for me.
Strangely though I don't always get painful hits from the juice. Sometimes it seems pretty smooth and not overly uncomfortable, yet there are other times when it just tears me up.

On a more positive note, the carto that NicLiq gave me has been awesome! I love this thing! I used the condom filling method and when fully filled it lasts me an entire day of vaping. It's way less messy than using carts or dripping and I don't have to carry around any extra stuff with me. Just fill up the carto in the morning, pop it on, and I'm good for the day.
Mind you I tend to store my 510 disassembled in a PCC so that keeps the battery good and charged all day long, and the slots to hold a spare atty & carts in the PCC hold these cartos perfectly.
So once I find a juice mix that works well for me I can definitely see cartos being my preferred way to vape. Once I get the juice situation figured out I definitely want to try Foxy Box, HotBox, or other similar small and inexpensive AA style box mod with a Boge 2.0 ohm LR carto on it for a nice compact all day vaping solution. Keep in mind that in terms of analogs I usually smoke around 8 to 10 cigarettes a day, so I think one of these little box mods with a 14500 battery and a carto should last me all day with no worries.


So at this point I think my goal is to figure out exactly what it is in e-Liquid that's making my skin so itchy and then see if I can get some juice without it or with low enough levels of it that it's not overly bothersome. The VG still seems like the most likely suspect, but the fact that I continue to have a little low level itching even when smoking 100% PG juice makes me think it may be something else entirely. So I've scheduled a doctor's appointment for next wednesday to get tested for allergies to common ingredients in e-Liquid. I know that VG and PG are the two main things I should be tested for, but are there any other common ingredients in most e-Liquid that could be causing me problems that I should be tested for allergies to? Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

In the meantime, until I know exactly what's going on here allergy wise, I think I'm going to try to pick up some 80% PG / 20% VG juice from Freedom Smoke USA and see how it goes. 100% PG has definitely been way too harsh on my throat to continue vaping (sore throat and burning lungs aren't much fun) and given that I'm still under the impression that I likely have an allergy to VG the current goal is to find out what the highest concentration of VG I can handle is without intolerable levels of itching. I'm thinking 80/20 should be a good test since I know 50/50 mixes quickly create intolerable levels of itching.

Thats all for now! As always, any thoughts/comments/advice/suggestions are much appreciated