Most of the times it says Vanillin, but best to call them and ask to confirm one way or the other.
Sun
Help with Vanilla??--The Holy Grail Has Finally been Found with HappyVaper
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Most of the times it says Vanillin, but best to call them and ask to confirm one way or the other.
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Vanilla is vanillin, thats what the flavor is. Structurally there is no difference between the two flavors if it comes from vanilla beans or is manufactured from lignin or even by guaiacol. The biggest difference is the lignin is not an oil based derivative like the guaiacol. There are many other compounds in natural vanilla that add to the complex flavor but mainly what you taste is vanillin. Even vanilla flavored ciggs or liquors use vanillin be it derived by direct additive or by purging it from oak casks, which is generally referred to as aging.
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Not to sure about that:
"Synthetic vanillin, instead of natural vanilla extract, is sometimes used as a flavoring agent in foods, beverages, and pharmaceuticals.
Methyl vanillin is used by the food industry as well as ethylvanillin. The ethyl is more expensive but has a stronger note. It differs from vanillin by having an ethoxy group (-O-CH2CH3) instead of a methoxy group (-O-CH3).
Natural "vanilla extract" is a mixture of several hundred different compounds in addition to vanillin. Artificial vanilla flavoring is a solution of pure vanillin, usually of synthetic origin. Because of the scarcity and expense of natural vanilla extract, there has long been interest in the synthetic preparation of its predominant component. The first commercial synthesis of vanillin began with the more readily available natural compound eugenol. Today, artificial vanillin is made from either guaiacol or from lignin, a constituent of wood which is a byproduct of the paper industry.
Lignin-based artificial vanilla flavoring is alleged to have a richer flavor profile than oil-based flavoring; the difference is due to the presence of acetovanillone in the lignin-derived product, an impurity not found in vanillin synthesized from guaiacol.[3]"
See Vanillin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sun
The methyl and ethyl appear to only add alcohol to the original structure. I cannot be sure that the vanillin structure is not changed in some way as far as toxicity but I am no chemist.
After more reading I can find nothing that indicates that any form is any more toxic unless burned, while no specific temerature was given an actual flame was implied. We do heat the flavorings but do not actually burn them. It appears that all vanillins are treated the same as far as MSDS and are mentioned only as AKA's. In pure form they should all not be touched, inhaled or swallowed. as with many other things vaped we must acess the risk on an individual basis.
Just try and take my Vanilla custard.
Just try and take my Vanilla custard.
Has anyone tried the three new vanilla flavors from Happy Vaper? They have Bourbon Madigascar vanilla, Tahity vanilla, and Traditional vanilla, along with their Vanilla custard. I'm not sure which would be best. at three bucks a bottle, I gurss I ahould just try them all. But I'd like to hear from anyone else who has tried them.
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A--try them all so you know what you like. The Bourbon and Tahity are very earthy and do not have the flavor of the Vaniilla Custard, which really gives the "Vanilla Flavor" you are looking for. But since taste is so objective, try them all for yourself.
Sun
WRT the Vanilla Custard (flavourart) I find that one drop/6ml vape liquid is too weak and two is borderline over the top. VG/PG ratios are personal IMHO, I use about 60% PG and 40% VG when I'm not mixing PGA into the liquid.
Methyl vanillin is the same thing as vanillin, it's just a little more descriptive for naming the substance.
Toxicology on ethy vanillin is similar to vanillin:
108. Ethyl vanillin (FAO Nutrition Meetings Report Series 44a)
I started a thread in health concerns for this discussion:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/55980-vanilla-vanillin-safe-not.html
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Thanks Sjohnson, It's the Capella one I think and I'll start with 2 very meagre drops to 6 ml and see how that is. Yeah I will mix up PG/VG, just wondered how strong the Custard was...
Hiya all-
Pretty new to e-smoking & trying to figure out what sort of liquids I like & can stick with to replace my analogs as much as possible. Vanilla would be one of my top choices. But I've read through this whole thread & am more confused than ever!
First of all, many liquids (even 0 mg) seem to have a vanilla + smokey taste. (Same for other flavors also - cherry + smokey, etc. not just vanilla. I guess it's somewhat like a flavored pipe tobacco taste). I really don't want that. Would prefer just a plain old vanilla flavor. (Yes, I like my sweets).
Sounds like there are some good commercial liquids & flavorings mentioned in here, but are they straight-up vanilla or vanilla with that odd taste?
I'm also confused about the whole vanilla, vanilin, etc. I'm sure I can find all manner of flavorings & extracts here in town without as high a cost & dealing with shipping & all, but I'm unsure about what is safe & what isn't. If I decided to make a trip to my local grocery store, hobby store, or health food store, for some experimenting, what do I need to look for & what do I need to avoid. And if I do get some ... I dunno, artificially flavored vanilla or flavoring or whatever... do I need to mix it with something or.... ugh?
I have read through the thread here & have gotten the high points, but some of the specifics were just discussed in terms a newbie brain isn't understanding.
Any clarification would help a lot. Thanks! -- RR
Pretty new to e-smoking & trying to figure out what sort of liquids I like & can stick with to replace my analogs as much as possible. Vanilla would be one of my top choices. But I've read through this whole thread & am more confused than ever!
First of all, many liquids (even 0 mg) seem to have a vanilla + smokey taste. (Same for other flavors also - cherry + smokey, etc. not just vanilla. I guess it's somewhat like a flavored pipe tobacco taste). I really don't want that. Would prefer just a plain old vanilla flavor. (Yes, I like my sweets).
Sounds like there are some good commercial liquids & flavorings mentioned in here, but are they straight-up vanilla or vanilla with that odd taste?
I'm also confused about the whole vanilla, vanilin, etc. I'm sure I can find all manner of flavorings & extracts here in town without as high a cost & dealing with shipping & all, but I'm unsure about what is safe & what isn't. If I decided to make a trip to my local grocery store, hobby store, or health food store, for some experimenting, what do I need to look for & what do I need to avoid. And if I do get some ... I dunno, artificially flavored vanilla or flavoring or whatever... do I need to mix it with something or.... ugh?
I have read through the thread here & have gotten the high points, but some of the specifics were just discussed in terms a newbie brain isn't understanding.
Any clarification would help a lot. Thanks! -- RR
redraven,
What we have been talking about here is mixing our own vanilla juice. Vanilla Custard from HappyVaper seems to be the winner for DIY.
If you are looking for a ready made juice that is just plain old vanilla, I recommend vanilla from MyFreedomSmokes. Me, personally, I ask for double flavoring, but I like a very strong taste. MFS's regular stremgth might do it for you. Don't bother with Dekang's vanilla. It tastes like my grammy's perfume!
Good luck and welcome to ECF and vaping
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What we have been talking about here is mixing our own vanilla juice. Vanilla Custard from HappyVaper seems to be the winner for DIY.
If you are looking for a ready made juice that is just plain old vanilla, I recommend vanilla from MyFreedomSmokes. Me, personally, I ask for double flavoring, but I like a very strong taste. MFS's regular stremgth might do it for you. Don't bother with Dekang's vanilla. It tastes like my grammy's perfume!
Good luck and welcome to ECF and vaping
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Thanks very much for the recommendations. There are so many - it helps a lot to narrow things down!redraven,
What we have been talking about here is mixing our own vanilla juice. Vanilla Custard from HappyVaper seems to be the winner for DIY.
If you are looking for a ready made juice that is just plain old vanilla, I recommend vanilla from MyFreedomSmokes. Me, personally, I ask for double flavoring, but I like a very strong taste. MFS's regular stremgth might do it for you. Don't bother with Dekang's vanilla. It tastes like my grammy's perfume!
Good luck and welcome to ECF and vaping
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I was also curious about the vanilla flavorings one can get in the grocery store, hobby stores, etc. I read the discussion about them here, but am still a little confused about vanilla vs. vanilin, etc. Just trying to figure out what is safe for mixing if I wish to modify a flavor or something.
Thanks much for the reply & for the welcome - RR
redraven,
Don't use the grocery store stuff. There has been some debate on what is safe. Also, it is not very concentrated, so you will end up with more flavoring than the vape producing, nicotine containing juice. I am sure you will be happy with MFSs vanilla if you get double flavor. It should be quite strong enough. If you think it might be too strong, go ahead and order double flavor vanilla and a little bottle of unflavored. That way if it is too strong, you can tone it down a bit. (All of MFSs stuff is very good and inexpensive) If you do want to DIY, go with HappyVaper. You'll still need to get some unflavored nic juice from MFS, because HappyVaper doesn't sell nic.
Hope this helps.
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Don't use the grocery store stuff. There has been some debate on what is safe. Also, it is not very concentrated, so you will end up with more flavoring than the vape producing, nicotine containing juice. I am sure you will be happy with MFSs vanilla if you get double flavor. It should be quite strong enough. If you think it might be too strong, go ahead and order double flavor vanilla and a little bottle of unflavored. That way if it is too strong, you can tone it down a bit. (All of MFSs stuff is very good and inexpensive) If you do want to DIY, go with HappyVaper. You'll still need to get some unflavored nic juice from MFS, because HappyVaper doesn't sell nic.
Hope this helps.
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Ahh, cool thanks. That was a very clear & helpful reply. I'll check out the ones you've recommended.
Thank ya - RR
I tested a French Vanilla at E-liquid / Smoke Juice by Halo
that was exquisite. Keep an eye on the web site. They just opened for sales, and that flavor is not yet there. Hopefully, it will be very soon. I will be waiting for it also.
I know this thread is a month old, but I've been looking for a really good vanilla flavor. I am hooked on blu's vivid vanilla and have since started using juice and really want to totally get away from using any of the blu stuff. I'm going to put in an order for capella's juice. Does anyone else have any recommendations for any other sites for a good vanilla flavor? Thanks for any suggestions!
Honestly, so far only the Capella French Vanilla and particularly the Vanilla Custard satisfy my craving for real vanilla.
I know that Perfumers Apprentice is working on a vapable Vanilla but I have not tried their stuff yet.
New! - Professional Flavors for DIY (Do it Yourself Flavoring)
I know that Perfumers Apprentice is working on a vapable Vanilla but I have not tried their stuff yet.
New! - Professional Flavors for DIY (Do it Yourself Flavoring)
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