!! Help w/ Genesis NOT Wicking !!

[soulcatcher]

So I have built quite a few coils; protanks, evods, RDAs - 28ga/30/32ga/32gatwisted/32gatriple-twisted - micro coils, vertical coils, nano, nano-dragon ect ect ect... I know cotton wicking takes some practice and have found great success on my other builds but ATM I am having quite a hard time with my Kraken / Genesis...

I had trouble getting the ohms down to 1 ohm per coil but finally got there w/ triple-twisted 32ga X 6 wraps on 2mm rod. Dual coil came out @ .5 ohms, awesome!!

Coils glow nice and even, so I started wicking. First I had the cotton a bit snug and could only take a very short draw before getting dry'sh and I would have to tip it upside down for way too long before the wicks would re-saturate. So I tried a few more times w/ the wicks ending up being uneven so one would wick much faster than the other. Tried again and got them wicking much more evenly. Once saturated I can move the wick up and down in the coil, still touching the coil, but able to move a bit without much of any resistance.

That said I still can't take very long draws though wicking is improved overall. As soon as I take a longer draw I get a dry/burnt hit. So any tips for cotton wicking on my genesis? What works for you? Also, have you found that certain style coils work better w/ the genesis in particular (what gauge, how many wraps and what size diameter). I think my wick holes are app 2.5-3mm so my coils are app 2mm ID... should my coils be smaller/larger than the wick holes?

-Any help would be AWESOME!! -Thx

 

[BobC]

Post a pic of your setup

 

[soulcatcher]

Post a pic of your setup

Here's what I got...

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[weinner]

Is the wick getting chocked where it enters the tanks?

Have you tried ss mesh?

 

[soulcatcher]

The wicks are def not choked. I think they could be a bit loose if anything. I can grab the wick at the top and move it up and down without twisting with VERY light resistance. They are also just barely touching all sides of the wick holes. It is very close to where it should be, just not sure if it needs a touch more or a bit less. Should the wicks be barely touching all sides of the coil/wick-hole or should they be on the lightly snug side?

Have not tried mesh. I really like cotton in all my other builds and have seen people use it in gene's w/ success so I wanted to go that route. Cotton has worked so great for me, does SS mesh = vape magick in gene's? Cotton I have tons of, I only have a small piece of #400 SS mesh that came with the kraken, does it really make a big difference?

 

[weinner]

I've used mesh exclusively for two years before I switched over to xc-116 in my gennys. I also seen people use the cotton, but when I tried it l also couldn't get it to work. I didn't really give cotton a chance because I just found the xc-116 to fill my needs better. I know Tbev uses cotton in gennys, maybe said him a PM asking for his advice if nobody gets back to ya.

 

[soulcatcher]

Def have not achieved the allusive skill of a properly working 'standard' Genesis coil... but I did find a good working alternative.

First I found that better wicking was achieved by having the wick fill the coil, but with a reduced diameter going into the wick hole. Anyhow, fed up with the vertical style coil, I tweaked my existing coil to 45 degrees and did an externally wrapped wick dragon style. Between this and the reduced wick size in the wick hole, performance/wicking is MUCH better.

Still a bit light on vapor, so I did a nano-dragon style w/ 28ga X 11 wrap on a small paperclip @ 1 ohm (dual coils @ .5 ohms). Vapor is not quite a much as in my RDA (I need to play w/ my juice mix) but it is improved and I can take take twice the draw as I could w/ the previous coil set-up, and it's wicking much faster.

Still would like to know if anyone has a Genesis cotton build that is a "must try".

-Keep On Vaping On -

 

[ImThatGuy]

Tilt while you draw...

 

[brianc11111]

you need to try rayon.....sallys beauty supply sells it. its called cellucotton.
read the thread on rayon. it is so much better than cotton

 

[soulcatcher]

you need to try rayon.....sallys beauty supply sells it. its called cellucotton.
read the thread on rayon. it is so much better than cotton

Interesting... Will have to take a look. I've been happy w/ cotton overall so I haven't been looking for alternatives.

 

[cement]

What works for me is 28 ga 5 wraps around an 8-32 screw. Which is the screw that is used to attach an outlet or switch to an electrical box. The wire goes into the threads and will leave you with a round coil with the same spacing between the wraps. Leave the coil on the screw when you attach the coil to the atty so the coil stays centered over the wick hole, after you attach the coil unthread the screw. I'm believe you have too much cotton. Try making the wick tapered long enough to go about halfway into the tank. After you fill the tank and wet the top of the wick tip the tank over and make sure the you see the liquid coming out of the wick hole if its not try to move the cotton to one side of the wick hole with a needle.you must tilt the tank when you vape. Good luck !!!

 

[laurie9300]

You guys are saying too much cotton, and taper the wick into the tank, I have done the opposite with great success?

I'm using 2 x 28g, 10 wraps, 1.3 mm @ 0.7 ohms in my kraken.

I'm using KGD which is easy to cut to size. I use a piece about 5mm wide but trim it down to 3mm where it goes in the coil. After filling with juice my tank it's about 1/4 full with cotton, it wicks very well and chain vaping is not a problem @ 25W

 

[jayD]

Since I love being pedantic, genesis literally means mesh wick. Using cotton sort of disqualifies you from applying this term. A great build is 3/4 wrap 28g with #200mesh. I have a set of luer lock needle tips in all the sizes I would need to make straw wicks and coils. 12ga tip in wick hole to wrap coil, then make a nice straw wick on a smaller tip and slide it in. You don't wanna use too much mesh for the wick and you don't want the coil to be overly tight around the wick. Sorry I couldn't be of any assistance with your cotton.

 

[soulcatcher]

You guys are saying too much cotton, and taper the wick into the tank, I have done the opposite with great success?

I'm using 2 x 28g, 10 wraps, 1.3 mm @ 0.7 ohms in my kraken.

I'm using KGD which is easy to cut to size. I use a piece about 5mm wide but trim it down to 3mm where it goes in the coil. After filling with juice my tank it's about 1/4 full with cotton, it wicks very well and chain vaping is not a problem @ 25W

That is interesting.... may have to try longer tails in the tank.

Have you tried w/ a smaller diameter coil w/ the wick surrounding it (ie. chimney/dragon coil)?
Cause I am running it like that w/ 28ga x 11 wraps w/ 1mm diameter @ .5 ohms, and is working pretty good so I don't want to tear the coils apart just yet, but am curious as to what performs the best. I feel like it could be doing better. I have the same coil and wick set-up in my RDA (both @ .5 ohms as well) and the RDA hits much harder / more vapor.

The devil is in the details-

 

[soulcatcher]

Since I love being pedantic, genesis literally means mesh wick. Using cotton sort of disqualifies you from applying this term. A great build is 3/4 wrap 28g with #200mesh. I have a set of luer lock needle tips in all the sizes I would need to make straw wicks and coils. 12ga tip in wick hole to wrap coil, then make a nice straw wick on a smaller tip and slide it in. You don't wanna use too much mesh for the wick and you don't want the coil to be overly tight around the wick. Sorry I couldn't be of any assistance with your cotton.

I have #400 I could try out. What is the diff between say #400 and #200 (my liquid is typically around 70/30 VG.PG ) Also, how much mesh (width wise) do you use. My tank came w/ a square sheet but is seems that would be quite wide for a single wick.

 

[jayD]

400 works but 200 works even better for chain vaping thicker juices with no dry hits. I think no more than 3 wraps around whatever your rolling your wick on, but other people do wick within a wick, using a straw wick and sliding a smaller solid wick inside. You may find that having the second wick go all the way down wicks slower then just the straw, but the wick holds more juice. So you could get crazy and cut the small wick so it's only the length of the coil and doesn't go down into the tank. And always make sure the the top of the wick extends to the top of the positive pin, past the coil or else burnt taste.

 

[soulcatcher]

you need to try rayon.....sallys beauty supply sells it. its called cellucotton.
read the thread on rayon. it is so much better than cotton

read your thread on this and was quite intrigued.... went and got a box from Sally's. I heard other people say it but d@mn, that is a BIG box, like 1ft x 1ft. Can't wait to see how well it works for me. Thx for the tip.

 

[soulcatcher]

**Update**
As many have been saying now that the word is getting out, rayon/cellulocotton is AWESOME!!

In my experience there has always been a learning curve with wicks, especially cotton, but rayon is much easier to work with and get right. It doesn't stay compacted like cotton does so over-packing is much less of an issue. All the strands are uniform, which I am sure helps quite a bit w/ wicking, but also allows you to work it back and forth to thin it down to the right size for your coil.

Been using the same wick in my dual coil .5 ohm Kraken build for a few days and I have nothing bad to say. Flavor is better, wicking is better, vapor is good maybe a bit better than before, and I can take full hits w/o burning. And I have had minimal-to-no gunking so far w/ my super sweet liquids.

If you haven't tried this stuff, TRY IT!!!

(I am everywhere... but currently in Phoenix If are local and want some to try send me a PM)