Help Needed: A DIY Noob's First Project: Flavor Arts' RY4
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I apologize to the mods for posting links, but it was out of pure necessity. I was treading dangerous territory and needed guidance.
My apologies, you are absolutely correct. I have no idea what I was thinking! That's what happens when you get on the forum first thing when you wake up and have not had the morning cup of coffee. I'm going to go hang my head in shame now.[emoji53]
I'm glad you did, otherwise we might not have believed you actually had straight nic, and the reality is that someone's safety was at stake. That rule is meant to keep people safe, and you were not deliberately going against the intent of the rule, such as by promoting or encouraging people to buy a dangerous product. And I'm sure you also understand and appreciate why the link was deleted after a few of us had a chance to investigate.
Man..1010 mg...so even after having it cut by 50% it was 505 mg...and I was aiming at 12 mg nic strength and as per the juice calculator I put 1.2 ml (out of a total of 5 ml I was hoping to make). This was suicide..I put 10 times the amount I was supposed to!!!
So..based on the almost fatal mistake that I made and the assistance I received, I recalculated the recipe using the ejuice me up calculator and it came out as follows:
0.12 ml of base juice (2 drops)
2.25 ml PG (45 drops)
2.13 ml VG (43 drops)
0.5 ml Flavor (10 drops)
I need to confirm one thing though. The first row in the calculator asks for the % of VG and PG in the base liquid. I know that the liquid was cut in a 1:1 ratio with VG. I also know that it was advertised as a 99% nicotine. Does this mean that I insert 0 in the PG cell and 100% in the VG cell of the base liquid?
0.12 ml of base juice (2 drops)
2.25 ml PG (45 drops)
2.13 ml VG (43 drops)
0.5 ml Flavor (10 drops)
I need to confirm one thing though. The first row in the calculator asks for the % of VG and PG in the base liquid. I know that the liquid was cut in a 1:1 ratio with VG. I also know that it was advertised as a 99% nicotine. Does this mean that I insert 0 in the PG cell and 100% in the VG cell of the base liquid?
Tamer, if you are still using 50% (500 mg/ml) nicotine, we cannot help you on this forum. You need to start with a max concentration of 10% (100 mg/ml) to discuss recipes. The safe thing to do would be to dump that 50%, or bring it back to where you got it and have them dilute it to 10% (although I would still be worried if they are not professional chemists).
I wonder if Kurt would be interested in verifying the concentration of this. Most of us don't have access to fume hoods and chromatographs.
Will do just that..i will not proceed with this concentration..You are right..one drop too big of this thing can do some serious damage
Back to your RY4...this is just my ramble on suggestion and observation...I've yet to find a RY4 I like. My wife likes the RY4 profile so I just just custom mix one for her. I'll normally use Hangsen RY1, Indian or Inawera TDM S'Camel for my base tobacco and add a little FA vanilla classic...now she doesn't really like caramel that much so I just leave it out...anywho to me buying a quote RY4 and hoping it's taste is to your liking just may not be that easy and if you have to doctor on it to get it tasting right is like trying to salvage a crappy mix in the first place....much easier to just custom mix a RY ...tobacco/vanilla/caramel each at your preferred percentages of dominance.
Well I wanted to start with something easy first and then start mixing flavors. For me FA's RY4 is readily available in Egypt so I thought I start with it and then try making my own.
Not easily at this point, and not quickly. And not willingly, either. I won't facilitate anyone but a professional manufacturer working with pure nicotine. I won't even work with the stuff!
tamer, you need to find out exactly what you bought. If this is pure nic (and it seems it is!!), I suggest having it disposed of properly as the hazmat it is, and just buying some 48 mg/mL base to start with. And use syringes, not drops...and gloves!
I am tempted to scold you mercilessly for being stupid. Sounds like you are aware of the dangers and the mistake you made. I'm sure you know that one drop of pure nic on the skin, even if wiped off immediately and washed, could be enough to send you to the hospital or worse. Even the nic in the air around it can be enough to give a strong buzz. So I suggest suiting up well with gloves, long sleeves and eye protection, and carefully sealing everything up and putting all of it in a trash bag until you know what to do with it.
It is not at all illegal to buy pure nicotine, but most places want to know who they are selling it to and if they are at risk of liability. Evidently this zenith does not care. The wording is odd, since they are selling pure nicotine, but are talking about dilutions like they think the buyer is a complete noob. If they do not provide a CAO paperwork with the nic, it is not likely to be very good anyway. Most people on ECF would not want to vape 99.0% nic. 1% crap is a lot for nicotine, especially vaping it. There is WAY better available, although I do not know what limitations you have in Egypt.
Please be super careful and stay safe.
Pay attention to Kurt, he actually has experience working with material this toxic. My warnings and admonitions are based merely on what I have learned on this forum and some general knowledge.
OP please post back when you've properly disposed of the nic so we know nothing bad happened to you.
The nicotine that was used to make the base I got was 99.9 nicotine. I did not buy it at that concentration. I bought it diluted in half using pharmaceutical grade glycerin (10 ml of the liquid nic mixed with 10 ml of glycerin). In Egypt we don't have many options, we simply have to smuggle everything that is vape-related, and we definitely do not have liquid nicotine. What usually happens is that some people make a business by bringing back home with them or with relatives and friends things that are sold online (ranging from clearomizers to liquid nicotine in this case). Some even bring back liquid nicotine in empty shampoo bottles!!
The base liquid is in one of those squeeze bottles with a fine dripping nozzle and of course a cap. I know this is still 5 times stronger than what I should be working with. And the funny part is that I was wearing gloves and a long sleeved shirt (very cautious guy!!) when I totally miscalculated the nic level. Luckily I sought advice on ECF and people came to the rescue (thank you guys, especially Boletus who was the first to discover the error and PMd me with his warning). And luckily I didn't fall to the temptation of trying the disastrous thing I made immediately after closing the cap and giving it a good shake!!!
I do value your advice and assistance, and I have learned the lesson. I will not even attempt to dilute the liquid further myself. I will go to the guy and hand him the bottle (which is now in three plastic bags), and ask for a 10% concentration. I know that in a better situation, I would get this from a certified place that has labels and paperwork..but unfortunately our choices are both too limited and totally unregulated. The other option for me would be simply to give up DIYing my e-liquid.
Finally, Kurt thank you for being constructive and not falling to the temptation of scolding me further. I know I brought it upon myself, and definitely deserve it, but I learned the lesson and I will be extra cautious from now on.
Once again..thank you guys for all your help and concern..I owe you a big one.
This entire thing should be saved as an example of how easily even the best-intended plan can go so wrong. But it's more than that. It's a reminder of why protection and precision matter. It's an example of the knowledge that is shared on this forum and the kindness and caring that is extended. And, to those of us lucky to live where it is not illegal to do what we do, we should reflect on how damn lucky we really are.
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