glue in the cartridges causing "burnt tire" taste...

[jingin]

Hi there, I'm fairly new to e-cigs (a little over a week), and I must say it is the best thing ever! I managed to quit smoking within 2 days of starting. I need to mention as well that there is such a wonderful wealth of information on these forums... thank you!!!

I'm wondering if anyone else has had an issue with carts from Johnson Creek. Sometimes, I would get that burnt tire taste from my pen-style (that I've noticed others have posted about), but it would go away after I cleaned my atomizer. At first I couldn't pinpoint the problem, but then realized this only happened with the carts that I ordered from JC.

I tried to pull the wool out of one, and was unable to initially. With a hard yank, I got one out and noticed that they are glued to the cart itself and this (the glue) was what had created the burnt tire taste that was driving me bonkers.

Has anyone else had this issue? Does anyone know what they use to glue the wool to the carts? 8-o

 

[Cage]

I don't have any JC carts, but I did get that burnt taste on regular supplier carts when I first started. It was always from letting the cart get too dry/atomiser too hot.
I never get it now because I keep the carts moist.

 

[jingin]

Hiya Cage, thanks for that reply. All the other carts that I have from e-smokeytreats and puresmoker... no problems. Of course, they didn't have that glue in it. Maybe it's just the reaction to my own tastebuds?

 

[Cage]

Hmmm...
Process of elimination is what I would suggest.

1. Clean your atomiser and use a different cart (non JC) to ensure the burnt tire taste is gone.

2. Then switch to a JC cart and keep it topped off with liquid.

3. Let us know the results.

 

[TribbleTrouble]

You know, I have the same issue with my E-Cigar Carts. They also have some rubber type glue that holds the wool in place. I get that nasty burnt taste if I let my atomizer get too hot. All of my carts are from njoy (imagine that). I always wondered about that glue. I just ordered some new carts from Puresmoker. I hope that their stuff doesn't have that glue in it.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I have 2 orders from Johnson Creek at 50 blanks per order as Puresmoker was out of them. Although I have only used a few, I have not had any burnt taste. I have noticed what you are talking about with the alleged "glue" when you pull the core out. I have also noticed that the poly core is not as dense as Puresmoker's and also does not give as snug a fit into the atomizer. I am going to e-mail them and find out what the scoop is as these are different then any I have used before for my penstyle---I hope it is not "glue" and will update when I hear from them--Sun

 

[jingin]

Hmmm...
Process of elimination is what I would suggest.

1. Clean your atomiser and use a different cart (non JC) to ensure the burnt tire taste is gone.

2. Then switch to a JC cart and keep it topped off with liquid.

3. Let us know the results.

I have successfully tried all three suggestions listed here in the past couple days (and others...) this is how I came to the conclusion (and through process of elimination of using other methods) that it was the JC carts that gave me the funny taste.

I have carts from puresmoker and from e-smokey treats - no issues at all. (thank goodness!!!) Also liquids from JC and puresmoker. Liquids definitely not an issue.

I think that JC had great customer service, quick delivery, and great products. I'm hoping that this is simply related to my own tastebuds. I'm just very curious as to what they are using as "glue". I'll let you guys know when I hear back from them.

 

[jingin]

................... I am going to e-mail them and find out what the scoop is as these are different then any I have used before for my penstyle---I hope it is not "glue" and will update when I hear from them--Sun

I just saw your post, Sun. I'll be sure to post as well when I receive their response. Thanks a bunches!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sun Vaporer]

O.K.--I just place a new filled Johnson Creek cartridge in my penstyle and gave it a good "cooking" and got no burnt taste. I noticed that I was able to get more e-liquid in them (1.5 ml as opposed to 1.1ml) I think maybe the core not being so dense allows for more aborbtion which is a good thing. I still do not know, what appears to be a "little white of tape", is when you pull the cartridge out but it is not sticky. I am sure Johnson Creek will give us a response as their customer service has always been great. As for the fit in my atomizer, they fit snug with several of them and loose with others, but I am now thinking that that may be a function of the atomizer and not their cartridges as the cartridges are all the same size. The hole in the atomizers do run inconsistant as some times I have to shove in hard Puresmoke's and other times they are just snug--so IMO that goes to the atomizer. Anyway, after a good "cooking" I am getting no burnt taste--that is usually an atomizer issue due to the battery cleaning clycle or in the alternative running the cartridge too dry so be sure you have loaded up on the juice (wet but not pooling otherwise you will flood your atomizer)--Happy Vaping--Sun

 

[jingin]

I really am starting to think it's my taste buds... I originally figured it had to be the atomizer, the battery, the liquids. The last thing I honestly thought it could be would be the cartridges, but at least in my case - this is the only thing I can come up with.

I ran another test using new cartridges, new liquids, clean and fresh atomizers/batteries. Same thing is happening.

I will continue to do business with JC ... I just won't be using their carts. As many has stated before in previous forums, everyone has their different tastes.

Christian with JC did contact me immediately (awesome, super-fast response!!! ) and stated, "This is a rubberized and heat-resistant glue that binds the 'wool' together and is common among esmoking cartridges. Unfortunately I do not know what the chemical makeup of this glue would be but I do not believe it to be a potential hazard of any kind."

Well, not everyone is allergic to kiwi seeds, but I am... maybe same thing is going on here?

Thanks everyone for your input... if anyone has any other ideas - I am all ears!!!!

 

[jingin]

So.............. I've tried again to with clean fresh carts (from different companies), clean atomizers, clean batteries to try to recreate the horrible taste. Same conclusion. My taste buds just don't agree with JC carts.

I received this response from Christian at JC (awesome, super-fast response too! ), "This is a rubberized and heat-resistant glue that binds the 'wool' together and is common among esmoking cartridges. Unfortunately I do not know what the chemical makeup of this glue would be but I do not believe it to be a potential hazard of any kind."

The best way I can describe my findings is this... Not everyone is allergic to kiwi seeds, but I am. I think the same thing is happening here.

I'll still be doing business with JC because I think they are an outstanding company with great service and products... I just won't be buying anymore carts from them.

Sun and Cage, thanks for all the great ideas, advice, and your findings as well. YOU are AWESOME!!

 

[Sirico]

I had a similar thing with mine after a while noiticed the cart deformed. I never let the atomiser get too hot and after using the dripping technique it went away. If you want a major throat hit melting plastic gives one akin to smoking cs gas.

 

[Apatel]

I just had a cart. I filled it, topped it off and no vapor. There was a little 'white' spot where the heating coil touched the wicking material. I tried a different atomizer and battery and same problem.

I didn't think it was the cartridge. I pulled out the wick and saw a thick flat layer of this white rubber like glue at the bottom. I fished it out with a paperclip and everything is working fine now. This was a prefilled cart.

I wonder how much of a problem this is?

 

[gep]

I just noticed this on my newer penstyle carts as well. It's white adhesive of some sort that is holding the material in the cartridge.

What the hell is this? Elmer's glue? Wood glue?

What purpose does it serve? I reuse my cart material so when I take it out to give it a rinse, I cut this "adhesive" crap off of it.


I think I'll start a whole new rant in a new thread. I'm getting pretty fed up with the whole thing.

 

[Houdini]

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[Sun Vaporer]

I just noticed this on my newer penstyle carts as well. It's white adhesive of some sort that is holding the material in the cartridge.

What the hell is this? Elmer's glue? Wood glue?

What purpose does it serve? I reuse my cart material so when I take it out to give it a rinse, I cut this "adhesive" crap off of it.


I think I'll start a whole new rant in a new thread. I'm getting pretty fed up with the whole thing.

I touched base 2 months ago with Johnson Creek about this white "Glue" and they confirmed that it is a rubber based glue to hold in the polyester batting. Please members--just go our and buy a roll of polyester batting at Walmart or any fabric store and stop wasting your money on buying blanks--It is the same thing-and cheap as hell---7 bucks for a 5 foot roll that will last you a year--Hope that helps--Sun

 

[section817]

sun your awesome i was looking for the material used as the wick for this stuff.