Getting batteries in and out of charger / mod without nicking the wrap

[morningdew]

Newb to removable batteries in mods here, have been reading up on battery safety and am a little concerned over shorting battery if I get a small nick / tear in a battery wrap.

1. I'm buying batteries from trusted sources and taking into account amp ratings etc, here I'm good to go as I never vape above 20 watts and never build below 0.5ohm, batteries CDR's are at least double the amps I'm vaping at.

2. I'm using a Vapor Flask Lite and VF Stout.

3. Charging batteries in an xtar VP4.

4. Getting the batteries in and out of the charger appears to be a potential wrap 'nicker', the negative end is really 'springy' and inevitably catches on the bottom of battery, especially when removing.

5. Same getting batteries in and out of both the Lite and the Stout. I'm aware with some 26650's, the Stout particularly, could nick the wrap.

Don't think I have any damage yet, but am wondering...

1. How much of a nick /tear actually constitutes danger - for instance - being able to see any metal (even the tiniest speck) not covered by the wrap ?

2. Obviously, I'm using in the Vapor Flasks which appear to have plastic battery casing / holder, but some metal, to one side, at the negative end of the battery holder...is there cause for concern if a battery had a tiny nick at the negative end?

Don't want to get ocd on this one, but can't help feel, sooner rather than later, the bottom (negative end) of one or more of the batteries will inevitably get nicked by charger or mod.

How do others feel getting batteries in and out of chargers / mods...is it perhaps more difficult to nick / tear the wrap than I'm envisaging?

Is this really an issue using in these mods, i.e. do I need to be constantly alert for it and rewrap or scrap a battery if that happens?

Perhaps they have built in safety in that a. no metal that can touch the battery (obviously apart from the positive connection) connects to that positive connection inside the mod?

Just seems so scary...beginning to wish I'd stuck with the Coolfire 4 Plus!

And finally, any reason why battery manufacturers don't wrap the batteries in thicker / stronger coating?

 

[puffon]

4. Getting the batteries in and out of the charger appears to be a potential wrap 'nicker', the negative end is really 'springy' and inevitably catches on the bottom of battery, especially when removing.

I agree.
The springs will loosen over time, but can be a challenge.
Don't know why they don't extend the neg, giving a "finger pull", to release tension.
If you see metal on the sides, time to re-wrap.

 

[zoiDman]

I never understood why Battery Charger OEM's just can't make the throw on a Spring Sled type charger about a 1/4" Longer?

 

[medleypat]

I would just be carful removing them don't have your mods or charger but been using the same batteries for over six months and haven't had any problems yet. Won't worry about tiny nicks on negative end positive end would because of how close negative and positive are. New wraps are pretty cheap and easy to install.

 

[mongo74]

LOL I use the same charger, and man that negative post launches forward as you remove batteries. It nicked my HG2's something fierce and I had to re-wrap them.

Now, I tilt the battery backwards from the positive end and while maintaining light pressure towards the negative post and use a finger to ease the spring loaded negative post forward. No nicks after I started using this method (and no tingles either...lol)

 

[DaveP]

What Mongo said ^^^^^

I do just about the same thing with my Xtar VC4 charger. I roll the positive end slightly and that makes it lift enough to get a finger on the end, press it back a little to prevent tearing the wrap, and lift it the rest of the way.

I buy my wraps from Kidney Puncher for 15 cents each and try to do that when I'm buying other things to prevent paying shipping on such light weight items.
18650 Battery Wraps - Assorted Colors

 

[DaveP]

I never understood why Battery Charger OEM's just can't make the throw on a Spring Sled type charger about a 1/4" Longer?

All they'd have to do is increase the height of the spring loaded end tab to allow a finger pull and all would be cool.

One of those rubber jar opener sheets works well to pull the battery back, but you shouldn't have to do that. Just use it to grab the battery and it slides back easily.

 

[zoiDman]

All they'd have to do is increase the height of the spring loaded end tab to allow a finger pull and all would be cool.

One of those rubber jar opener sheets works well to pull the battery back, but you shouldn't have to do that. Just use it to grab the battery and it slides back easily.

Absolutely.

And the Cool thing about that is there would be No Needed to make a New Injection Die Set for the Plastic Housing Body.

 

[morningdew]

Thank you for the replies people. I think I'm using same or similar method to remove the batteries, gently does it is the key....

Any thoughts on vapour flasks lite and stouts positive connection being isolated from rest of mod? My concern / hope being, if I miss a small nick somewhere on the wrap, that would hopefully keep things as good as safe until I do notice and resolve the nick.

 

[mongo74]

Are those protected mods? You should be safe, as they should not fire if there's a short.

If you even have a modicum of doubt, close inspection and re-wrap will be your best bet. I would be hesitant to use any suspect battery in a mechanical device, though.

 

[morningdew]

Are those protected mods? You should be safe, as they should not fire if there's a short.

If you even have a modicum of doubt, close inspection and re-wrap will be your best bet. I would be hesitant to use any suspect battery in a mechanical device, though.

Yes, both are protected mods. In relation to not firing, thank you that was my understanding.

But, the concern would also be, as with a battery in a pocket short circuiting outside of the mod, if a nick revealed some of the negative under the wrap and this somehow connected to the positive of the battery via the mod, it would be the battery short circuiting irrespective of the mods circuitry?

Or am I misunderstanding things...it would certainly seem to make more than
sense if the battery holder inside the mod was entirely non-conductive except for, of course, the negative and positive connections.

 

[zoiDman]

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But, the concern would also be, as with a battery in a pocket short circuiting outside of the mod, if a nick revealed some of the negative under the wrap and this somehow connected to the positive of the battery via the mod, it would be the battery short circuiting irrespective of the mods circuitry?

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Oh No, No, No, No, NO!

Don't Every Carry a Bare Battery. If you are Carrying a Spare, put it in a Battery Case.

Carrying Case for 2 18650 or 4 18350 Batteries - Green

Silicone Sleeve Case for 2 18650 Batteries - Green

 

[morningdew]

Oh No, No, No, No, NO!

Don't Every Carry a Bare Battery. If you are Carrying a Spare, put it in a Battery Case.

Carrying Case for 2 18650 or 4 18350 Batteries - Green

Silicone Sleeve Case for 2 18650 Batteries - Green

No, no, no...you have it entirely wrong!

I would never dream of doing that, to be clear it was purely a hypotehtical comparison 'event'.

In fact I only used mods with built in batteries when I am out of the house, am wary enough of them at home let alone on the move.

Thanks for the concern though and apologies if I wasn't clear in the first instance.

 

[zoiDman]

No, no, no...you have it entirely wrong!

I would never dream of doing that, to be clear it was purely a hypotehtical comparison 'event'.

In fact I only used mods with built in batteries when I am out of the house, am wary enough of them at home let alone on the move.

Thanks for the concern though and apologies if I wasn't clear in the first instance.

That's Good to Hear.

Because I would Hate to think that You (or anyone Reading this Thread) would consider Carrying a Bare Battery.

Out of the Really Bad Accidents that the Media has reported of People getting Burned by an Exploding "e-Cigarette", many of these were from a Bare Battery in Someone's Pocket.

 

[pufZeppelin]

I got tired of " digging " at and possible damage trying to get batteries out of a charger

so I just lay a rubber band or piece of fish string, or kite string in before I snap battery in
makes removal ez-pz (just make sure it's not conductive)



if I'd ever remember, this would be great to have around