Foul Cartridge Taste

[Nazareth]

Been smoking carts for quite soem time now, and yesterday I loaded a new one in & noticed an odd taste & was in a car at hte time & someone mentioned the oder- I asked what it smelled like (because my sense of smell isn't htat great) and htey said it smelled liek rotton eggs and that hte smell was quite powerful- quite awful (Just glad I wasn't in a resturaunt at hte time lol). Well a few more puffs on the cigg & the taste got really bad.

When I got home, I tried another fro mthe same packet & sure neough, it too tasted and smelled quite bad- threw it away, opened another packet & it was better , gbut still had a bit of bad taste.

I/'ve not refridged my cartridges- but will begin to do so from now on as I rthink this is probably what turned the Cartridges bad- it seems htey contain somethign that does idneed spoil

 

[CaSHMeRe]

perhaps you esmoked right after the atomizer cleansing cycle ?

that's the only thing I can think of besides just a bad batch of carts!

 

[Smokester!]

Sounds like the cig did a sneaky self clean when you weren't looking.

 

[Nazareth]

no- it was the cartridges as I pulled them out and smelled them, and smelled the rest in that packet, and it was quite rank- then took another packet and smelled them and not nearly as bad- definately hte cartridges- it wasn't a burnt smell or taste liek you get when it self-cleans, it was a rotton oder and taste- it's been hot here, and I think they just spoiled- just a heads uyp for folks to refridgerate the Carts when we get them

 

[trog100]

how old are they and what brand..

trog

 

[ned Zeppelin]

You say you're sense of smell isn't great perhaps you have the farts and didn't realise it

 

[Nazareth]

Trog- I'm not sure what brand htey were as I had carts fro mtwo places and got htem mixed up (they were in the same looking packets)- I had smoked about 2 packets previously, and did not notice any bad taste or order until just yeasterday, and as I said, it has been quite hot here, and they were just lying out in the heat. The Carts themselves are 2 weeks old now, in my possession, and took abotu a week or less to arrive fro mtheir locations. If I were to guess- I'd say they were hte oens from SmartFixx, as I think I had set some of them to one side, bgut I can't be positive

Ned- my sense of smell isn't great, but I can still smell strong oders when I get close to htem, and hte cartridges smelled quite bad to me, so I can imagine how terrible it must have smelled to those i nthe car weho had better sense of smell- besides, my farts smell like roses

 

[trog100]

i ask cos we never fridge ours and have some that must be three months old plus with no sign of deterioration problems..

leaving them on a car dash in direct sun might do bad things to them thow..

trog

 

[Nazareth]

Yeah, i've had soem that have been out for quite awhile now and no problems either- but this batch seems ot be different for osme reason- I even got soem on my fingers & can stil lsmell it after havign washed- faintly htough- but it's not pleasant- now, they may have been bad right fro mthe start, that I'm not certain of- but it seemd to me to be from the heat- but maybenot

 

[TropicalBob]

Naz, what causes your underarms to stink? Your breath to stink? Bacteria. Your stinky cartridges are full of happy bacteria. Here's a quote from the Tips and Tricks section from Mihai in a thread about making homebrew e-liquid:

"The current e-liquids are good enough if: 1. they really have the quoted amounts of nicotine; and 2. if they were sealed properly and kept at low temperatures. Nicotine degrades very fast as bacteria love to eat it.

"Here, some tasty pics in a german forum:
"Translated version of So sieht verkeimtes Liquid aus!"

The photos show bacteria loving the nicotine as much as we do. Put E-cartridges or liquid in heat and you'll get bacterial soup. Good advice has been given here before to keep the liquids in the dark and refrigerated. Same for unused cartridges. And if anyone contaminates liquid by introducing bacteria, the bad boys will multiply rapidly. The health consequences will depend on the type of bacteria introduced, but nothing good will happen next.

 

[trog100]

they probably aint over keen on getting their arses burnt by our hot wire atomizers thow.. he he he

trog

 

[TropicalBob]

Ever had liquid leak into your mouth?

 

[trog100]

Even had liquid leak into your mouth?

often.. bob.. but i was only making funnies.. occasionally i do..

trog

 

[TropicalBob]

Gotcha. Sure hope no newbies take that seriously though and think inhaling bad liquid from a contaminated cartridge into one's mouth and lungs is okay. This is one of Dr. Laugesen's big concerns during the New Zealand study. It is critical that these are clean -- and how does anyone know with the unregulated production and sale of cartridges and liquid. Oh well. I'm vaping away myself at the moment. You probably are, too. E-Cheers to ya.

 

[trog100]

on the serious side the thought that hot wire technology might be safer than the pizo idea for this very reason.. did go thru my mind..

last year my youngest offspring trod on a weaver fish.. evil little buggers that hide in the sand with spines sticking up..

the result is an hour of the most intense pain imaginable.. it seem the only known relief for the poison is heat.. put your foot in as hot as temperature water as u can stand and the toxin is killed..

course not knowing any of this at the time or having the means he had to lay on the beach looking like he was dieing and we had to panic for an hour.. he he

a more humourous but no doubt less effective method is to piss into a wellington boot or wader and put your foot into it..

trog

 

[TropicalBob]

Naz, this might be important. I can't recall another instance of possible cartridge contamination. It's more than one, right? Was an entire package of five bad?

I'd sure like to see those contents lab tested. It might be possible to mail it Dr. Jim Loi in Malaysia, where he could oversee lab tests for bacteria and contaminants. Several times, as a reporter, I've taken stuff to the local health department for forwarding to a state lab for testing. They send the results back. In this case, since it's so hard to explain e-smoking, Dr. Loi might be the best bet. And who cares now if the bacteria further popular this liquid? If they're there, they're there!

It's too bad you don't know the manfacturer. And you can see the problem we all have: How can a bad batch be traced when there are no numbers on the cartridges or liquid vials? Not even a manufacturer! What if there are more contaminated cartridges out there from the same processing run? This is a huge problem of no regulation in creation, no tracking capabilities, no inspection anywhere. And we're sucking it directly to our lungs.

Can you imagine trying to track down the origin of Mad Cow disease without some system in place? Or the recent salmonella incidents? We walk our e-smoking high wire without any safety net.

My first thought when I read your post was -- Jim Hinson, creator of The Muppets, died of bacterial pneumonia. How can we know what's in your cartridges?

If you'd like to follow up, PM Dr. Loi and ask if he could take over the investigation of the contents of your foul cartridges. I've PM'd him before and he's great with answering any question.

 

[Fumador]

I had the same experience when I bought a mini from ebay. The cartridges that were included smelled really bad. I don't think they last very long if they are not stored properly.

 

[Nazareth]

z, this might be important. I can't recall another instance of possible cartridge contamination. It's more than one, right? Was an entire package of five bad?

No TB- it was just the last three in the package- one day I noticed a strong flavor, then hte next was when it stunk/tasted really bad- I haven't checked any of hte other ones that I had left otu, as doing so I'd have to open them fro mtheir plastic to smell them (Some oder coems htrough of course, but not enough to really tell until opening the plastic) I'm smoking a new one right now & it's ok- it's goign to take a few weeks to see if any more bads oen are present.
I've got them all in the fridge now

It's too bad you don't know the manfacturer.

Yeah woudl be hard to track down perhaps- I'm sure they most likely coem from china

Im not too concerned abotu findign out abotu the contamination- but I am goign to make sure to smell all cartridges for awhiel till I get through with what I recently purchased-

 

[TropicalBob]

Well, that's not good, Fumador. I would guess you threw them away? What brand cartridges were they?

 

[Nazareth]

last year my youngest offspring trod on a weaver fish.. evil little buggers that hide in the sand with spines sticking up..

Was ice-fishing for northern pike oen year, and kept knickign my hands on their teeth removign the hooks, didn't think much of it, until my hands felt kinda tight in my gloves- removed the gloves and both hands were swollen- by hte time I got off the lake, my hands were liek twice the normal size- didn't hurt, they were just swollen and little feelign- the saliva numbed them I guess