Food grade PG and VG in flavorings?

[Alien Traveler]

I have visited Capella site; they sell VG and PG of food grade.
Capella Flavors-Over 90+ Water Soluable Flavorings - VG/PG & SWEETENERS
So, I assume they prepare their flavorings on the same base. What about LorAnn and other suppliers?
Do we consume substantial amount of food grade (not USP grade) VG and PG?

 

[Hoosier]

Since they are repackaging, food grade is to be expected.

You can start with USP, but as soon as you unseal the container outside of a proper environment, it ceases to be USP. So even if you buy nothing but USP as soon as you open the container at home, it is no longer USP.

Which place would you expect to find quality air filtering equipment, a DIY'ers home or some place like Capella's? PG and VG will do their best to pull any moisture out of the air into itself so contamination from the environment it is unsealed in will get in. That's fine for food grade, but not USP.
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[Alien Traveler]

Since they are repackaging, food grade is to be expected.

You can start with USP, but as soon as you unseal the container outside of a proper environment, it ceases to be USP. So even if you buy nothing but USP as soon as you open the container at home, it is no longer USP.

Because of repackaging? I do not think so. They are I buying food grade ingredients. They are food company. It makes no sense to buy USP grade product and resell it as a food grade.

 

[Hoosier]

Look for 55 gallon drums of PG. You'll find them to be USP a vast majority of the time. (I've never been able to find a PG manufacturer that doesn't produce USP solely)

It's and economy of constant process for the factory. It's up to the repackagers to either maintain the USP purity or degrade it.

I seriously doubt Capalla's is buying from a repackager themselves, but it could be possible. So you may be right, but I have grave doubts you are.
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[Crunktanium]

It might have been USP when they received it but obviously they buy tanker loads. The company makes food flavorings and therefore grades the PG/VG for the industry to which they cater. They simply have no reason to meet the more stringent USP labeling requirements. In fact none of the flavorings out there used by the vaping industry carry USP label. However I would bet the VG/PG sold by Capella is as good as the stuff with a USP sticker sold at Walmart.

If you remember it was not but a few months ago Capella and everyone else claimed every flavor was Diacetyl free. This claim used to also be clearly written on the pages at Capella which is no longer shown. And this line "<strong>DIACETYL,Acetoin,Acetyl Prop FREE</strong>" can still be found in the source code of the flavorings web page or by searching "capellas flavor Diacetyl" in Google. I would actually rather a company tell me nothing at all then lie to me about the product.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Let me repeat, they sell food grade VG and PG by gallon:
Capella Flavors-Over 90+ Water Soluable Flavorings - VG/PG & SWEETENERS

Do you suspect them to by USP grade VG, repackage and sell as a food grade VG?
Do you think food company needs USP grade VG and PG?
Have you seen that Capella or LorAnn advertise their flavoring base as USP grade VG/PG?
I have not.
So I believe (OK, I suspect) they are using food grade ingredients.

 

[Kemosabe]

Let me repeat, they sell food grade VG and PG by gallon:
Capella Flavors-Over 90+ Water Soluable Flavorings - VG/PG & SWEETENERS

Do you suspect them to by USP grade VG, repackage and sell as a food grade VG?
Do you think food company needs USP grade VG and PG?
Have you seen that Capella or LorAnn advertise their flavoring base as USP grade VG/PG?
I have not.
So I believe (OK, I suspect) they are using food grade ingredients.

Like Hoosier said, Yes. youll likely not find Food Grade PG or VG available in the size Capella is likely to be purchasing in.

Basically, USP becomes Food Grade once the container is opened. unless youre in a clean room with proper air filtration and whatnot, you cannot maintain the USP grade. they likely buy 55 gallon drums of UPS PG and VG, then repackage into gallons (which creates Food Grade gallons through repackaging).

 

[Alien Traveler]

Why do you think they buy USP grade?
Any links?

 

[Hoosier]

Just based on the research I did when I was first thinking about mixing. That was over 4 years ago...2 computers ago too. So even if I thought to save the links back then, the hard drive head crash would have wiped them out.

Nope, no links. Just going by memory and years of doing this stuff.

What makes you believe I am wrong or have such a strong feeling they buy food grade? (I'd like to see some links to a producer/manufacturer that doesn't produce USP.). Dow and Proctor and Gamble have good websites. Humco sucks. (again, going from memory plus I endeavor to let posters to their own searches because it gives them a better chance to prove me wrong...which I actually enjoy being proven wrong)
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[Alien Traveler]

My goal is not to prove you wrong, but to know.

My search does not bring any mentions of USP grade VG and PG

 

[Crunktanium]

Why do you think they buy USP grade?
Any links?

Even if they sold the finest USP VG/PG on the planet they could never label the flavorings as USP anyway.

If you owned Capella would you setup a USP complaint laboratory to make Food and Beverage industry product?

 

[Alien Traveler]

We a talking about grade of VG-PG, not about flavorings. And in description of flavorings it could be mentioned that their base is USP grade PG/VG.

 

[CreepyLady]

Using the CAS# on the Cappella Flavor Drops site - it links as DOW. Dow only provides USP or Industrial grade Propylene Glycol. Since they cannot make industrial grade food grade (lets hope??) they would by default have to purchase USP - (which becomes food grade once opened) and rebottle in an environment or into containers that do not meet the stringent requirements to remain as USP.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Thanks for information.
In addition: TFA is also selling VG, and they have written: “Our glycerin is vegetable, food grade (USP).”
A bit confusing, but it looks like they have written about VG what they should – food grade – but also try to tip buyer that it was initially USP. So, it looks like you are right.

 

[Crunktanium]

We a talking about grade of VG-PG, not about flavorings.

The title of this thread was..

Food grade PG and VG in flavorings?

And it matters not what the base of the flavoring was because it's not USP once mixed with something that is not USP.