Flavoring used in tobacco

[sofarsogood]

When the anti smoking crowd says hundreds of chemicals are added to cigarette tobacco they are being "accurate" but deceptive. No brand of cigarette uses all those chemicals, may be just a few and apparently a bunch of food flavorings are used in cigarette tobacco for various reasons. Does anyone know how to get a list of those flavorings? May be some of them are free of the suspect chemicals vapers like to worry about these days and would also taste good in e liquid. If there were such a combination they have the advantage of being in used for inhalation a bunch of years.

I wonder if the tobacco companies need government approval to add those flavors or are they doing it the same way e liquid companies add flavors, entirely at their own discretion. If tobacco companies are adding flavors without oversite why not e liquiid companies? So are there tried and true flavors that have been used in tobacco for years and what are they (besides menthol).

 

[Str8vision]

I've actually seen the list and you're absolutely correct in that it contained chemicals/flavorings that "could" be used but not all are used in every tobacco. Included in that list were dozens of flavorings like vanilla, vanillin, caramel, cherry, grape etc.. just like the ones we use for DIY. Also on that list were questionable chemicals, many dozens of them that just sounded.... toxic. The list is out there, if interested just try google, I'm sure that's how I ran across it.

 

[Nimaz]

You may want to look into pyrazines... Among other properties relative to the specific cigarettes flavor and aroma, here is what I found:

"Taken together, pyrazines appear to increase product appeal and make it easier for non-smokers to initiate smoking, more difficult for current smokers to quit, much easier for former smokers to relapse into smoking, and may mask the risks of both active and passive smoking”.

Some eliquid makers may already be using these compounds.

 

[sofarsogood]

You may want to look into pyrazines... Among other properties relative to the specific cigarettes flavor and aroma, here is what I found:

"Taken together, pyrazines appear to increase product appeal and make it easier for non-smokers to initiate smoking, more difficult for current smokers to quit, much easier for former smokers to relapse into smoking, and may mask the risks of both active and passive smoking”.

Some eliquid makers may already be using these compounds.

I started DIY in September. I'm not searchiing for the best possible flavor. I don't want to be taking more puffs because my vape tastes so good. I'd rather have just enough flavor to keep me vaping and not tempted to smoke. Some of the traditional flavors may be very economical to use. I'd like to know about inexpensive, readily available flavors that are never the less good and have a long track record being used for inhalation.

E liquid companies can keep their flavors secret. How do we know what flavors the cigarette companies add? Is there a law requiring them to disclose that? If so it should be possible to find out exactly what they are using. I wonder if cigarette companies can change the flavoring or percentage, etc. without notice or does that trigger the deeming regulations that exist on cigarettes already? If they want to ban flavors in ecigs why not do the same with cigarettes?

 

[Nimaz]

I started DIY in September. I'm not searchiing for the best possible flavor. I don't want to be taking more puffs because my vape tastes so good. I'd rather have just enough flavor to keep me vaping and not tempted to smoke. Some of the traditional flavors may be very economical to use. I'd like to know about inexpensive, readily available flavors that are never the less good and have a long track record being used for inhalation.

E liquid companies can keep their flavors secret. How do we know what flavors the cigarette companies add? Is there a law requiring them to disclose that? If so it should be possible to find out exactly what they are using. I wonder if cigarette companies can change the flavoring or percentage, etc. without notice or does that trigger the deeming regulations that exist on cigarettes already? If they want to ban flavors in ecigs why not do the same with cigarettes?

I went through the same thinking process when I started vaping, questioning what I was vaping in the eliquid I was finding in the local stores. Since I couldn't find any info on specific composition, I rapidly shifted to DIY, saving money, choosing my flavors without the known potentially harmful contents. Even tried tobacco flavoring with poor success and just gave up on these flavors. I suppose that design strategies similar to cigarette confection can be applied to eliquids and serve the same end point purposes... I pointed out pyrazynes because I found these chemicals are key players in cigarette addition, and appealing properties. Some of these compounds are already FDA regulated. As you said, vaping is still a strategy to keep me away from smoking but the further I go from this primary goal, the more it becomes only about vaping. Main differences are the combustion process and the consumable compositions but what's the point if at the end the same 4000 or so chemicals found in cigarettes are also in the liquids that we purchase? I believe that vaping will still be a reasonable choice if it strives to work away from the cigarettes concept, otherwise I better be off vaping too!

 

[sofarsogood]

I went through the same thinking process when I started vaping, questioning what I was vaping in the eliquid I was finding in the local stores. Since I couldn't find any info on specific composition, I rapidly shifted to DIY, saving money, choosing my flavors without the known potentially harmful contents. Even tried tobacco flavoring with poor success and just gave up on these flavors. I suppose that design strategies similar to cigarette confection can be applied to eliquids and serve the same end point purposes

What I meant by flavoring is the food flavors that have been used in tobacco. I'd like to do better than unflavored but just a little better. I suspect the tobacco companies tested the added flavorings for hazardous chemicals because they are already in enouogh trouble for selling tobacco so if one of the flavors they use works for me in e liquid may be I'll go with that. I bet those flavors, what ever they are won't be real expensive either. Unflavored e liquid is so cheap it's shocking. I'd like to find an inexpensive flavor I like just for the bragging rights.

 

[Nimaz]

What I meant by flavoring is the food flavors that have been used in tobacco. I'd like to do better than unflavored but just a little better. I suspect the tobacco companies tested the added flavorings for hazardous chemicals because they are already in enouogh trouble for selling tobacco so if one of the flavors they use works for me in e liquid may be I'll go with that. I bet those flavors, what ever they are won't be real expensive either. Unflavored e liquid is so cheap it's shocking. I'd like to find an inexpensive flavor I like just for the bragging rights.

I understand your quest. I was looking for tobacco flavor at first and there is many valuable threads in here dealing with this, sharing recipes and taste. I tried the M-type premium tobacco flavor mixed with Caramel, Bavarian Cream, Hazelnut and a bit of apple cider vinegar and tried it after 1-2 month aging. I ended up using the mix without the tobacco flavor... Too strong, even at 0.5%... Commercial Tobacco flavor that I purchased tasted horrible without knowledge of the contents. That's almost like a culinary science. I read that some folks directly extract the flavors from tobacco itself. The recipes used in cigarettes must be quite complex in its design and testing but the final formula might end up to be relatively simple. The list of flavor ingredients might not be so long. Their preparation, origin, quantities and physico-chemical behavior upon combustion must require years of testing before finalizing a specific product. The methodology must also be very unic and specific to reach the desired result. I found the idea of researching a given flavor formula, it's concentrate, tobacco for instance, is an exiting quest. The final product might not be that expensive to put together but the time and material invested to successfully get there must be costly.

 

[Exchaner]

Here you go, flavors used for spraying tobacco leaves:

Search Results: flavor

 

[Hoosier]

Seedmans was popular on here years ago...

 

[93gc40]

Since we are not BURNING our juice and most of the bad in cigarettes is the result of COMBUSTION.... or the resulting compounds created by burning tobacco and paper. I don't think it matters much, as those bad combustion created compounds are not going to be created.

 

[sofarsogood]

Since we are not BURNING our juice and most of the bad in cigarettes is the result of COMBUSTION.... or the resulting compounds created by burning tobacco and paper. I don't think it matters much, as those bad combustion created compounds are not going to be created.

I agree. My vape (detailed below) is relatively laid back for a few reasons unrelated to health concerns but I figure why not work out a vape that minimizes the objections whether or not the objections are rational. It would be cool if I could say the flavoring I'm using has been around for many years, is thoroughly tested for inhalation, in use for decades, and costs $20 a gallon.

Are any of the flavors used by big tobacco "approved" by regulators for use in cigarettes? If so those would be the ones to focus on. If I like one of those how is the FDA going to say the flavor has to prove itself? How can it be allowed in cigarettes but not in ecigarettes?