First Data Merchant services Discontinuing online vaporizer sales

[Iken]

I think more merchant processors will follow suit soon to stop the sale of online sales for ecigs. It is disasterous to say the least. At least you will probably find their fees are going to be very high per transaction fees because of chargebacks.. Yes the low lifes and hackers are probably to blame for all of this, besides other biases.

We might have to resort to money orders or checks thru snail mail.

I know there was a large gateway that refuses ecig sales like last year.. Good luck Issac on finding someone..

Lol you can say that again Doots! I was thinking of Westernunion as a Complete last resort, also phone orders. Oh the troubles and wait times!

I've also been seeing more ecig commercials lately and I'll bet they are owned by big tobacco.

They are my good man. Newport acquired Blu and RJ Reynolds (Camel) is or has already began. Nothing beats Denis Leary walking the sands puffing away eh?

Hey Iken! We actually process payments online for ECig Merchants. I am a Certified Payments Professional and I've worked with ECig clients for years. Feel free to message me anyone if your looking for a consultation on the best most effective way to process. Cheers

VERY COOL Biz!! That' so good to hear! I'll definitely mark you down for sure!
Keith from Painlessprocessing is helping me out Big time right now. Literally, we have been exchanging emails for the past hour, but again, Thank you so much man!! and Welcome to the vast vaping world! If I can ever help you out with anything, please give me a shout!

 

[Switched]

I don't think so Switcher, Places like Visa and Mastercard are publicly owned meaning shareholders which are based off Banks and financial institutions like JP Morgan. When decisions need to be made in terms of changing assessment fees or other details of the way business is run, the shareholders are the ones that have the final say.

Sorry my good sir, ya need to look deeper. #While you are busy trying to make ends meet understaffed ect... their is a whole world going on around you and perhaps passing you by. Where you aware of BT putting a move on RTS Vapes? Visa and MC might be publicly shared but... who is driving that ball?

I was recently offered (which I have) a smart phone CC reader from my processor. I am one of the few in Canada that processes CC. Why? I fly under the radar. I have been offered on numerous occasions to augment my SEO etc... sorry folks I like flying under the radar.

One of the things you may not of thought of (I don;t know) is the volume of business you declared on your application to your processor. You are doing large volumes and they investigated you. E Cigs right now are a volatile subject, with all processors, where do we go from here? God only knows!

I was and always will be an ally. You know where to reach me!

 

[Switched]

You are absoultely correct Dwallen.
These are people who are passing by with luck.

PayPal generally prohibits transactions for all types of tobacco products, including cigarettes, cigars, and smokeless tobacco due to legal requirements and industry regulations for online tobacco sales."
Any merchant selling these products and offering PP is either doing so without PP's knowledge or with written permission. That permission can be revoked by PP at any time, for any reason, without explanation, and without recourse by the merchant.

Given PP's documented position on tobacco products, I'm surprised that anyone has been able to use PP to buy them at any point. Although there is certain measures we take for selected customers.

Totally supported! We have EMT here in Canada, (email transfers) something that you folks in the US need to look into

 

[Switched]

That's what I was reading and they it said the charge backs are not in line with Visa and Mastercards limits. It went on to say more and that wasn't the only reason.
Hers what it said:
"The charge backs that an electronic cigarette enterprise will likely generate is often the most important ingredient in determining the processing risk. The reason: if a charge card processing service allows a business to persist in handling charge cards with a greater chargeback ratio than meets the approval of Visa and MasterCard, it can have sizeable fines levied against it. Moreover, where it produces lots of chargebacks, but cannot handle the accompanying debt, its financial institution must do so."

So now what?

Johnny! I am disappointed in you!!! That statement is poppy c o c k! Or in US terms BS!

 

[Switched]

You can imagine how many lobbyists are there in the name of Big T trying to ban online sales of e-cigs since they finally realize it's growth. Sooner or later e-shops of these products will be a thing of the past. We all know it's coming.

Yup! You banged that nail on the head.

Anyone watching the developments in Europe? Just a Q...

 

[Switched]

I think more merchant processors will follow suit soon to stop the sale of online sales for ecigs. It is disasterous to say the least. At least you will probably find their fees are going to be very high per transaction fees because of chargebacks.. Yes the low lifes and hackers are probably to blame for all of this, besides other biases.

We might have to resort to money orders or checks thru snail mail.

I know there was a large gateway that refuses ecig sales like last year.. Good luck Issac on finding someone..

Doots,

It is called CAPALATISM, pure and simple! Unfortunately the entire American economy is based on it, and to furtjher exacerbate the problem, supported by all. Sad but true

 

[Switched]

No I wasn't meaning you. They were talking about the ecig industry. There have been numerous cases of fraud in this industry. I know after all you went through yours has to be one of the best. This is going to affect more venders.

Johnny 5,

Isaac was one that has touched us dearly, and was "small potatoes". That being said, he was one of the many vendors that got "affected" the most!

 

[Switched]

I've also been seeing more ecig commercials lately and I'll bet they are owned by big tobacco.

They are broadcasted buy BT... Why? Because at present time there is no rule forbidding them!

 

[crxess]

I noticed ebay is selling ecigs and using paypal as the payment source. I don't know if they're coming around or it's just something they let ebay get away with.

For the Not so well informed - Ebay purchased PayPal a few years ago. That is why the transition to All sellers Must accept PayPal.

 

[Switched]

VERY COOL Biz!! That' so good to hear! I'll definitely mark you down for sure!
Keith from Painlessprocessing is helping me out Big time right now. Literally, we have been exchanging emails for the past hour, but again, Thank you so much man!! and Welcome to the vast vaping world! If I can ever help you out with anything, please give me a shout!

Dang! That sounds good

 

[Detail Man]

I'm kinda hoping our shear numbers and active voices can help thwart any harsh forthcoming FDA ruling. They backed away from their promised ruling on vitamins and supplements last year.
I get some vitamins and supplements from xtend-life.com located in New Zealand. The first half of last year I got many email newsletters asking to write politicians and sign e-petitions and whatnot.

 

[Switched]

I'm kinda hoping our shear numbers and active voices can help thwart any harsh forthcoming FDA ruling. They backed away from their promised ruling on vitamins and supplements last year.
I get some vitamins and supplements from xtend-life.com located in New Zealand. The first half of last year I got many email newsletters asking to write politicians and sign e-petitions and whatnot.

Tip of the Iceberg my man = Bill C36 in Canada, not sure what they call it down South?

 

[Detail Man]

Tip of the Iceberg my man = Bill C36 in Canada, not sure what they call it down South?

Yeah I don't what the call letters were but there had been a few stories of deaths some fat burning herbals and what not. Thats what big pharma tried to play up. But everyone could and can still see healthcare cost are too high and over the decades the vitamin and herbal industry had grown so much. I take a couple herbals for ailments that the drug companies have not not been able to match in synthetics. But healthcare and pharmaceutical companies cannot profit too well off of healthy people.
I think the anemic economy down here (in the South) probably played into there decision. The members of the FDA knew if they outlawed the vitamin and supplement industry the backlash would have been awful.

 

[5cardstud]

Johnny! I am disappointed in you!!! That statement is poppy c o c k! Or in US terms BS!

Well it's an excerpt from a financial institution. I figured they know more about their business than I do.

But For everyones protection I have removed my posts.In the future I'll keep my big mouth shut.

 

[Switched]

Yeah I don't what the call letters were but there had been a few stories of deaths some fat burning herbals and what not. Thats what big pharma tried to play up. But everyone could and can still see healthcare cost are too high and over the decades the vitamin and herbal industry had grown so much. I take a couple herbals for ailments that the drug companies have not not been able to match in synthetics. But healthcare and pharmaceutical companies cannot profit too well off of healthy people.
I think the anemic economy down here (in the South) probably played into there decision. The members of the FDA knew if they outlawed the vitamin and supplement industry the backlash would have been awful.

Ya nailed it on the head my good man! BP is not in the healing business, healthy people do not become customers, hence why natural supplements and vitamins are a threat. They actually cure something instead of jus treating the symptoms without ever attacking the underlying problems, whilst creating side effects that require other meds to counteract and so on and so on...

 

[Switched]

Well it's an excerpt from a financial institution. I figured they know more about their business than I do.

But For everyones protection I have removed my posts.In the future I'll keep my big mouth shut.

Ahhhh, don't take it so hard good buddy. All I meant regardless of what was written, it was pure unadulterated BS, an excuse <--- period. Or in other words they had to provide him with a reason, doesn't make sense, and we both know it, but a reason nonetheless.

 

[doots]

Well I am prepared to send checks or money orders to get my stuff... even if I have to wait 2 weeks for it.

 

[Iken]

Well I am prepared to send checks or money orders to get my stuff... even if I have to wait 2 weeks for it.

We ♥ you too Doots!
No worries though, First Data did state that any face to face transaction are and always will be supported. I don't believe physical stores will be brought down. Just more or less forced to apply for different licensing such as an importers license, license to distribute, etc.
Most of our customers such as yourself are from Texas I'm still tethered to PA for my daughter but that is always subject to change as she is almost of the age to choose where she desires to live. If we can hold on for a couple more years..You never know.

 

[Iken]

J5 You have no need to remove your posts. I wish you hadn't. They are spoken true my friend with what I believe are correct assumptions based off generally reliable resources. Your theories and wonders are reasonable and not over the top. Did you know one of the largest shareholders of Visa/Mastercard is RJ Reynolds who supports people to quit analogs. Take a peek at this program they have.
https://myhealth.jpmorganchase.com/hrgway/contentLNePage?id=Programs_Tobacco_Cessation.aspx

 

[Iken]

Well it's an excerpt from a financial institution. I figured they know more about their business than I do.

But For everyones protection I have removed my posts.In the future I'll keep my big mouth shut.

My like on this post is the first half.