FA MTS Vape Wizard and TFA Smooth - Your experiences with it?

[funkyZero]

Ok, Im sitting here, surrounded with vial after vial of flavorings and additives. I'm on test batch #36 and so far, I'm striking out big time.
I am looking for a real fruity flavor, I like most fruit flavors, but I can't seem to hit it. I can SMELL the stuff really well, but the flavors seem to either be absent, or real acidic. Too much flavoring and the stuff starts tasting like perfume and man I can't stand that any more than the acidic taste.
So, in my infinite wisdom (ha!), I got these 2 additives because they claimed to "soothe" some flavors.

The MTS vape Wizard is pretty potent stuff, but it is adding a somewhat sickening sweetness to the mix. I'm using it like 1 drop per 6ml test vial.
The other... the TFA Smooth Flavor is absolute and destructive. 1 drop in a 6ml test vial almost kills everything.

Can you guys tell me if I'm using the right stuff or not? Also, what uses have you found for these muting flavors and in what quantity are you using them? I see a lot of reference to EM, Ethyl Maltol and I think I bought the vape Wizard thinking that's what it was, but now I'm second guessing that. Am I wrong on this one too?
I'm going through an awful lot of liquids and I can't seem to get the hang of this.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

For fruits I'd suggest you try adding 1-2 drops of lemon juice per 5ml of your finished liquids, that'll help being out the fruit flavors. If you are already using too much flavoring though it might make it worse, most of the time with flavoring less is more unless you are using way too little.

EM for me tends to blunt flavors, even in smaller amounts (0.5-1%), but most use this in all their mixes at 0.5-3% or more, generally it adds some roundness to the mix, and can add a sweet flavor too as you get towards the higher percentages. This may help you balance things out, and blunt some acidity. Now the lemon suggested above will increase the acidity appearance to you as well probably, but it should even out and brighten the flavor after a few days steep and or in combo with EM.

How long are you steeping, and how, before you test your DIY mixes? Some flavors will taste bad/off/funky/acidic for at least a day or so, some much longer before they smooth out. Others don't need this at all, but many do need at least a day to settle in (I think)

Post up a few examples of how much flavoring you are using in a mix, and what brands they are, that way users can suggest better percentages for you and let you know right off the bat if you are using way too much to begin with.

Also, have you tasted your Nic base by itself, and or with plain PG/VG yet? If not, please do, as one of these may be offending you as well so you've got to test these first before you carry on any further. If you have high mg/ml Nic base, of course don't test it undiluted, go ahead and mix it down to whatever mg/ml and PG/VG you use just vape it unflavored and see if it still tastes bad. If it does, you'll need to try vaping your PG and then VG by itself and see if it's one of those, if not it would be the Nic Base.

Hope this helps!

 

[funkyZero]

Ok,
Here is one example that I mixed up today.

70/30 PG/VG 18mg nic - Pineapple/Mango

36mg PG nic - 4ml (50%)
Additional PG - .5ml (13%)
VG - 2.5ml (30%)
Pineapple (TFA) - 6 drops (3%)
Mango (TFA) - 6 drops (3%)
TFA Sweetner - 2 drops (1%)

The above mix came out flat, so I added 6 more drops of Pineapple. Still tastes a little muted, but with an acidic taste.

I generally run them through the Ultrasonic tank in a glass vial for 4 hours, I haven't done this one yet though... I just let it sit uncapped for about 6 hours and tried it out. I haven't let it sit yet since I added the additional Pineapple. I've read that the fruit flavors don't really need to steep for very long?

The one mix I've been able to make that is tolerable is 70/30 18mg Mountain Dew TFA with just a few drops of sweetener, nothing else. That has a fruity flavor without the acidic taste. And yes, a week of steeping and it mellows out and gets even better but it's still not something I can vape all day without getting kind of tired of it.

I've bought and tried a lot of Evo flavors and they were all a bit too flat, but no acidic taste so they are tolerable. If I try putting a drop of TFA Sour in them, it gets acidic and kills the vapor big time.
I got some Freedomsmokes Peach and man it was majorly acidic, I let it sit around here for 3 weeks and it never calmed down at all. I then put ONE drop of Vape Wizard in it and it killed it dead.

I'm starting to get desperate, I keep reaching for cigarettes. So far I have held my ground, but man I need badly to get a flavor that will satisfy but yet not be so strong that I get tired of it quickly. I started the DIY because after like 50 different vendor flavors, and a LOT of cash, I haven't found anything yet... and I've only been at this again for a month.
I really wish I liked coconut because the Evo Pina Colada has all the right characteristics except the flavor. The intensity is there, no menthol, it gives me that hit in my lungs without making me cough like the acidic fruit stuff.

Anyway, I'm rambling now...

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Mango is weak, so that may be adding some funky taste in the background being so minor of a note? The pineapple I have not tried so I can't really comment for sure, but it may need at least a day to settle down as I mentioned, or some time in your USC. Fresh mixes often taste acidic or have a sharp bite to them to me so that may be all that's going on there.

I have never used, or heard of, Evo flavoring so I can't really comment there either, sorry. I will say TFA is kinda tough at first, so since you are having hassles, if you have some extra cash you can spare you might want to go grab some capellas right now since they are on sale (13ml bottles for $3 I think).

Those are generally easier to mix and don't often taste bad if you overdo it, which I don't think is the issue you're having currently with TFA. Not sure what's giving you that acidic aspect, aside from acidic flavors, but it doesn't sound like you're using too much so it's not that.

What are you tasting these in? Could be the juices reacting with your tanks if they are polycarb (Crystal clear plastic), since you are using tank cracking flavors (Pineapple). Mt Dew is one too, it takes a while to crack a tank, but I assume some breakdown happens instantly and that's going into your vape whatever it turns into while things are breaking down. I use Mt Dew myself, and know it cracks plastics even at low percentages like 5%, and it's good at 10-12% so you know it's breaking things down there for sure.

Don't give up and grab the smokes, you'll get there, just have to keep at it. Hopefully some other users will be able to give you more assistance! And it would be great if you can order some Cappella's too to hold you over until you figure out a little bit with TFA. Sweet Strawberry (and or Strawberries and Cream) and Sweet Tangerine are nice and easy to use fruit flavors they offer

For now, with your TFA I'd steer clear of all the additions you've been playing with, until you get a vapable flavor without them first. EM would be OK to play with though if you have it, but I'd not use the sweetener, vape wizard, smooth, ect until you've got something you can vape first, then you can experiment and play with recipes and add-ins later.

 

[Rin13]

Well, Pinapple is a very acidic fruit so maybe steer clear from that until you've mastered some other flavors. What flavors do you currently have? Maybe we can suggest a mixture for you to get you started. I had a LOT of failure (still do) at first. It takes patience, trial and error and getting to know which brands you like. TFA is a temperamental brand. The percentages vary a lot from person to person, flavor to flavor. While I still like them in general, I have gravitated outside them because of that reason.
The only other suggestion is possibly picking up some bitter wizard?? It's supposed to lower the acidity I believe.

 

[Jville808]

Ok,
Here is one example that I mixed up today.

70/30 PG/VG 18mg nic - Pineapple/Mango

36mg PG nic - 4ml (50%)
Additional PG - .5ml (13%)
VG - 2.5ml (30%)
Pineapple (TFA) - 6 drops (3%)
Mango (TFA) - 6 drops (3%)
TFA Sweetner - 2 drops (1%)

The above mix came out flat, so I added 6 more drops of Pineapple. Still tastes a little muted, but with an acidic taste.

I generally run them through the Ultrasonic tank in a glass vial for 4 hours, I haven't done this one yet though... I just let it sit uncapped for about 6 hours and tried it out. I haven't let it sit yet since I added the additional Pineapple. I've read that the fruit flavors don't really need to steep for very long?

The one mix I've been able to make that is tolerable is 70/30 18mg Mountain Dew TFA with just a few drops of sweetener, nothing else. That has a fruity flavor without the acidic taste. And yes, a week of steeping and it mellows out and gets even better but it's still not something I can vape all day without getting kind of tired of it.

I've bought and tried a lot of Evo flavors and they were all a bit too flat, but no acidic taste so they are tolerable. If I try putting a drop of TFA Sour in them, it gets acidic and kills the vapor big time.
I got some Freedomsmokes Peach and man it was majorly acidic, I let it sit around here for 3 weeks and it never calmed down at all. I then put ONE drop of Vape Wizard in it and it killed it dead.

I'm starting to get desperate, I keep reaching for cigarettes. So far I have held my ground, but man I need badly to get a flavor that will satisfy but yet not be so strong that I get tired of it quickly. I started the DIY because after like 50 different vendor flavors, and a LOT of cash, I haven't found anything yet... and I've only been at this again for a month.
I really wish I liked coconut because the Evo Pina Colada has all the right characteristics except the flavor. The intensity is there, no menthol, it gives me that hit in my lungs without making me cough like the acidic fruit stuff.

Anyway, I'm rambling now...

I'm no expert by any means, but I've had some pretty good luck with pretty much all of my first fruity mixes. I recently made a similar Mango Pineapple, only using Lorann's flavorings. My percentages were: 15% mango, 5% pineapple. No sweetener, although I might add some to my next batch. It turned out a pretty mild fruit flavor (which I like) but the pineapple was still the most noticeable flavor. If you're wanting to taste the mango, I'm guessing you'll need to up that percentage quite a bit. Even at 15% I don't taste mango in mine. I'm not sure how much more potent TFA is though.

 

[dannyv45]

So, in my infinite wisdom (ha!), I got these 2 additives because they claimed to "soothe" some flavors.

The MTS Vape Wizard is pretty potent stuff, but it is adding a somewhat sickening sweetness to the mix. I'm using it like 1 drop per 6ml test vial.
The other... the TFA Smooth Flavor is absolute and destructive. 1 drop in a 6ml test vial almost kills everything.

Those are smoothing and blending additives for tobacco and really don't work for fruits, candies and creams. It's mainly used when combining different tobacco flavors so one isn't prominent over the other.

 

[FinallyQuit]

Someone school me on this, I have Lorann Tart and Sour and I have TFA Sour. Are they any different than using lemon juice?

 

[funkyZero]

Well...
About the time I was ready to give up, this one came through. I can't believe it.
I let this one do 4 hours in the Ultrasonic (which also rant he heat @ 50C degrees). 24 hours later and it's a really smoothe vape, the sweetness is just right too. The Mango is really weak, I can hardly taste it, but the Pineapple is there and not overpowering either and it hits just right, no acid taste. I hope it still tastes this good after a week or 2 of steeping.
I am going to try a few variations of Pineapple with maybe Passionfruit, Kiwi and a few others and see how that affects the Pineapple since the Mango is so weak. I am quite happy, it's way better than the Mountain Dew that was my other sort-of Ok recipe.
I'm going to list out my flavors too so hopefully someone has workable recipes as well. I look through the recipe threads endlessly but I am almost always missing at least one flavor that I need to make any of them.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Great to hear that mix came out smoother for you!

Hope you can find a mix you love soon, don't feel bad I'm still looking too and only "dealing" with what I've conjured up so far

 

[dannyv45]

Well...
About the time I was ready to give up, this one came through. I can't believe it.

Congratulations on finding a working mix. Remember to keep careful notes on what your doing. Theres nothing worst then finding your perfect mix and not being able to reproduce it.