ECA vs FDA

[Txrider]

Has the ECA put out a press statement on the news wires to address the new FDA warning about e-cigs?

Seems it would be pretty easy to debunk the FDA's press release. And pretty easy to release a press release to the news wires.

 

[Kit]

ECA have done very little except take money as far as i can see .

 

[Mac]

They have an official response on their site. I fear it is too little too late though. I disagree that they have done nothing but take money. They have been on tv and have been promoting e-cigs. Consider for a moment the power of the corporate/political machine they are up against A government agency who are accepted as watchdogs for public health as well as big tobacco and big pharm (both corporate giants) The opposition's pockets are far deeper then that of the ECA and this is not something that will likely change. Could the ECA do a better job? Yes definitely. Is it fair to say they have done nothing? No I don't think so.

 

[lvlninety9]

The ECA did issue a statement about the FDA's supposed findings, but it didn't address any of it except for the advertising and need for regulation which was a MINOR part of it. Instead of addressing the whole issue about the DEG found, they just said well it's to narrow to come to any conclusion. Which no matter how I look at it is dancing around the issue.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Supposedly, njoy will be releasing its toxicology report on Wendsday and it is clean--- so we shall just have to wait and see--As for SE---no comment. Any company that sells these for 150 dollars a peice and did not do any stuides should be ashamed of themselfs IMO.


Sun

 

[Mac]

Supposedly, njoy will be releasing its toxicology report on Wendsday and it is clean--- so we shall just have to wait and see--As for SE---no comment. Any company that sells these for 150 dollars a peice and did not do any stuides should be ashamed of themselfs IMO.


Sun

I definitely agree. SE has certainly gotten themselves a bad reputation. The biggest thing I am hearing (and this is from customers walking up in the mall who previously purchased SE kits) Is that they do not honor the warranty. With all the replacements we have had to do and the resulting tying up of inventory and postage costs I can only imagine how profitable that is. They should be able to afford toxicology reports.

 

[lvlninety9]

I really have to question the integrity of SE. And I have to question Njoy's decision to team up with them. While Njoy shows to be a LOT more reputable at this time considering that they are taking the time and money do discredit the FDA what exactly is SE doing besides sitting around waiting for a decision. It's very sad I tell you. I wish Njoy luck on their efforts to further our cause.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

IMHO, nJoy got involved knowing the integrity of SE.

Let's be thankful they did. They are a stark contrast and certainly give the judge a well rounded perspective of the electronic cigarette.

 

[Ryle]

I had to jump in and throw in my $0.02 here and say that I agree with Lacey. I highly doubt that Njoy got involved without knowing everything we do (if not more) about SE. Can you imagine where we would be sitting if SE was the only one that got tested? If they were the basis for which the entire PV industry were to be judged? I'm sure Njoy most likely saw it from that perspective. At least with Njoy involved we can say that the problem chemical found was in 1 company's product.. not both, and more specifically, we can point out that the company with the problem chemical involved was the company with the worst reputation and business practices.

I'm very happy that Njoy stepped up to the plate and threw themselves into the middle of it, whether they did it for their own reasons or they did it for us, either way I am grateful because they are doing what they can to help us, even if it's not their direct intent.

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

To be fair... the TSNA issue would be diminished if NJoy weren't tested. All 4 of their cartridges tested positive for all TSNAs tested for. SE's carts at most were positive for two of the four, with some not showing any quantifiable levels of TSNAs. Yes, SE had the TOXIC SUBSTANCE!! but NJoy had the CANCER!!

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Well --Unless I missed something, I thought that NJOY was going to release their testing on Wendsday? Any word on that or did I miss it?

Sun

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

If you did, I did too.

 

[SSRob]

I too have been looking for this report but it doesn't exist as far as I can tell.

 

[Mac]

We can't find it because it hasn't been released..

 

[brandeeashlynn]

They were supposed to but did not they do not care. Oh well I guess

 

[LoneRanger]

They were supposed to but did not they do not care. Oh well I guess

Trust me they care! I would say crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's.

 

[Coco]

Trust me they care! I would say crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's.

---I agree with you, as for I heard that NJOY, e-liquid supplier and ecig manufacturer maybe will have a meeting next week, now it seems that the e-liquid supplier's attitude is very important

 

[harmony gardens]

Seems to me, the path should be clear. Sit down with the FDA and establish a set of criterion that it will approve, then get the manufacturers to conform to it. If the manufacturers can't make a safe product,, all the slogans are BS. Seems like the burden is on them. If they build it, we will come.

We need to find out if the FDA is set against ecigs in any form, or we're just wasting our efforts.

The FDA report ticked us all off, but if it's findings are true,,, it exposes shoddy production at least. Didn't anyone at NJ or SE take any marketing classes?? They should know that the FDA would notice what they are doing,,, and claiming they don't have the right to regulate the product is pretty much off the table, since the tobacco bill was signed. They need to tell the manufacturers to get with the program, or they will be shut down,,, and though I cringe to say it,,, probably would deserve it.

If the industry lacks funds for the testing,,, there's a path for that, too. It's called an IPO, where companies sell stocks to investors to launch the product properly. Shouldn't be too hard, since there are 100,000 or so happy consumers who have already become passionate about the product.

my 2 cents

 

[harmony gardens]

I guess nobody thought my last post was worthy of comment??

 

[emus]

Seems FDA, ALA, ACS, etc. has already made up their mind regardless if the ecig passed any short term tests or not. If ecig was pure as mountain air they would still seek to ban it due to the "pathway" to smoking argument. Sad to see the kiddies breathing toxic second hand smoke from analogs.