birds and vapor...harm?

[illyria]

I have two parrots. Cigarette smoke will kill a bird quicker than a bullet (like the canary in the coal mine). Even air fresheners and scented candles can do them in if the area isn't well ventilated. So does anyone know if the vapor from these e-cigs is bad for them? I never smoked in the house, but I can't resist vaping inside now that it's 108 degrees out.

 

[KreeL]

E-cig vaper is harmless to humans, plants, minerals, birds, mammals, fish, reptiles, and even alien lifeforms as we know them.

 

[Gofo2]

I remember years ago when I heard that Fabreze, the fabric freshener was fatal to birds just sprayed in the same room!. I never bought Fabreze, or any other product like that, and I don't have birds!! I have dogs. I just figured if anything will kill birds, it is probably a toxin to any living thing. I can't see the vapor from e'cigs being a problem, I wouldn't blow it at them, but I doubt that you would either.

 

[Mo JJC]

I have an African Gray parrot. I have had him 5 ft away vaping. So far so good after a month.
I inherited him from an aunt that smoked like a chimney though.

 

[illyria]

Thanks, I feel better.

 

[four2109]

Let us know how it goes. It may be the only testing that is ever done!

 

[JustJulie]

If memory serves me, Leaford, a real e-cig enthusiast and reviewer, began vaping because of his birds . . . he was worried about the health effects of smoking around his beloved pets. He doesn't seem to have any problems vaping around them, so I'm guessing vaping around birds is probably not an issue.

Also, Ruyan has conducted studies on its products. Here's a link to one such study. http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf You may find p. 21 of particular interest:

5. Safety of Ruyan® e-cigarette ‘smoke’ for bystanders.​

Method.​

Analysis of published data on nicotine absorption, and informal comments of bystanders, and observation of e-cigarette smoking indoors.​

Results.​

Cigarette smoke is a mixture of sidestream smoke and exhaled mainstream smoke. In constrast, the e-cigarette generates no sidestream smoke from its (artificially lit) tip. Any exhaled PG mist visibly dissipates to vapor within seconds. Non-smoking bystanders do not find the mist unpleasant. The mist is odorless, and those close by quickly realize it does not have the odor of smoke or the irritating quality of tobacco cigarette smoke.​

Comments​

. Inhaled nicotine in cigarette smoke is over 98% absorbed 6, and so the exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of propylene glycol, and probably contains almost no nicotine; and no CO. (see Figure 3.5) Lacking any active ingredient or any gaseous products of combustion, the PG mist or ‘smoke’ is not harmful to bystanders. The ‘smoke’ or mist is not tobacco smoke, and not from combustion – no flame is lit – and is not defined as environmental tobacco smoke. E-cigarette “smoking” would be permitted under New Zealand’s Smoke-free Environments Act 1990.33​

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[KreeL]

I guess she's never seen a Leaford video.

 

[maskgeek]

I have 2 macaws inside my house and 2 cockatoos. My ecigs do not affect them at all.

 

[TommyGunBC]

if the parrot is smoking a analog it will kill him but second hand smoke nope unless it is a very small very smokey space, my friends parents have parrots and chain smoke in the house and the birds are fine . I have tried to convert them to vaping but they are old school and belive that e-cigs are way worse (stupid old timers) I think your fine feathered friends will be just fine

 

[wv2win]

I had a cockiteal and smoked around it for years and he never had a problem. Vaping should be totally harmless for a bird. My Vet thinks my PV is a great idea. (I no longer have a bird as a pet, however)

 

[yknotagain]

I bred cockatiels, parakeets and canaries for years in a smoke filled house. I also had 2 blue front amazons and a cockatoo. None were affected from what my vet could tell at least.

My current wife made me give up my birds, but I would feel safe vaping around them.

 

[tikva]

I live in a small apt. and have an African Grey and a Blue/Gold macaw. One is 18-y-o and the is 17-y-o. I raised them from the egg and they are my only family. Needless to say, I'm very protective of them and totally freak out at the thought of any chemicals around them. I don't even have any non-stick cookware because that can produce harmful toxins.

Since I spend so much time on the computer, I moved it next to their cages to be near them all the time. I've been vaping for 2 1/2 months and always use a P/T with the computer. I'm literally right next to them (about 12 inches away) vaping away the whole time. There's been no problem!

My macaw has especially sensitive lungs. I used to smoke analogs, only into the exhaust fan above the stove, but even that was too much for him and his lungs would wheeze, so I had to stop.

There's been NO problem for him with my vaping!

But, a reminder caution!!

Nicotine is a poison, so I never handle them or touch anything they eat or play with after I've handled e-liquid in any way. That includes just holding my PV, since it could have trace juice on it. I always wash my hands first.

And, since the computer is next to their cages, I play Leaford's videos when I'm away from the computer, for the entertainment of my African Grey, because she loves his bird!

 

[dijohn76]

I have two parakeets (sit right next to the computer) and two cats. I smoked analogs around all four and now vape and the only problem I have found is my oldest cat suffered from withdrawal when i quit the analogs, other than that, no problems!

 

[MissVapor]

I know that your not suppose to cook on teflon around birds..

 

[tikva]

I know that your not suppose to cook on teflon around birds..

Right. At certain temperatures it releases harmful/fatal toxins to birds. Scary!

 

[illyria]

I guess some birds are just more sensitive than others. A friend of mine went through 5 cockatiels before her vet finally asked her if she was smoking around them. She was. Another friend's conure died from cig smoke, and then her parakeet died from teflon poisoning. (She also fried a lot of her foods.) We threw the teflon out after that.

I've been especially careful with the nicotine drops. I also raise tarantulas and black widows, and nicotine is an excellent pesticide! Have to wash my hands a lot.

So far my birds haven't shown any negative symptoms from vaping. My African Grey is very curious about the blue LED, though. I have to be diligent about putting it away from him when I'm not using it. He would totally chew it up and eat that nicotine!

Thanks for all of the input.

 

[MissVapor]

I also raise tarantulas and black widows, and nicotine is an excellent pesticide! Have to wash my hands a lot.

What?8-o Why do you raise spiders? For what purpose? Aren't they poisonous?

 

[jboze]

Leaford's bird in all his videos still seems to be alive.

 

[Flitzanu]

kreel, don't be bringing aliens into this, everyone knows that the Grays are allergic to PG.

black widows? wow, that's brave. i wanted a tarantula once until i read that it's very stressful on them to be handled all the time.