Best mini tank for not sub ohming?
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I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if this has already been pointed out, but you do NOT have to direct lung a sub-ohm tank. You can close the airflow, 50-80%, use a drip tip with a smaller bore, turn down the wattage, and MTL(mouth to lung) that same tank all day long. That is exactly what I do.
I personally use a Serpent SMM (Rebuildable) with a 0.6ohm SS316L build in it, with airflow closed about 70% and a narrow bore tip and MTL exclusively. I have also done the same thing with several other tanks. It does increase flavor.
You're getting quite a few suggestions here, but (just my opinion) you're going to find the Nautilus mini hard to beat in the resistance range you're talking about, and using drop in coils.
That's what I used for about two years, wasted a lot of cash on prebuilt coils. Discovered that the included 0.5ohm coil included (with larger vent holes) can be easily rebuilt into a better tasting, longer lasting horizontal coil with 28 gauge SS 316L wire & the snippets of cotton leftover from larger RBA builds.
While a tight fit, fairly easy to do once done the first time (as much with anything), using the 2.5mm part on my coil jig. That's the easy part, the hardest is getting all of the OEM junk out after using, Kangertech packs a lot of cotton in these, will need an extra good cleaning, preferably soaking in 91% (or high proof grain) alcohol for 12 hours (or overnight) after removing the old cotton & wire & rinsing with hot water. A Q-Tip will greatly assist in scrubbing the hard to reach spots.
I'm still using mine, purchased three when on promo, at the time, was a best seller. This is my favorite low wattage sub-ohm tank, ships with both a preinstalled 1.5 & the spare 0.5ohm coil, plus a small RBA that I could never get right. That's what got me to thinking if the coil was rebuildable.
Rather than trying to create a Tutorial myself, will leave this video, it's really simple & can save hundreds of dollars over the lifespan of the tank in coil replacements, maybe more.
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that say everything.
I dont really agree tho,
personaly i use a pico mini to build on it, the battery cap is the perfect size for me to rest my fingers, so hold the coil in the middle ( i litteraly press it toward the air flow ), then i grab a pliers and round the wize around the screw.
Then correctly place the coil. Easy peasy
I see nothing complicated there. Sure, that less handy compare to somes more rescent post design. Totaly true.
But still, i have hard time to believe that setting a wire around a screw is difficult for anyone
If you use a coil size that fit that kind of small chamber i see no risk of touching & shorting.
Thats not a tank where you set 2.5 or 3mm coil... or super thick calpton, flat coil thing with 36differents wire, lets be real ^^
Imho, 2mm is the max you should use in it.
Personaly, i'am only using simple 0.3 kanthal, around 2mm 8 wrap, which lead me to 1.3omh.
And its just perfect ( at least for me ) with a low wattage
and the flavor are perfect, i taste what my juice smell.
And what cotton you use also help a lot for the flavor tho, recently used basic UD pad, and the flavor i get is better compare to when i use the native wick..
on the original, the airflow ring is pretty tight, and barely move ( unless you have somes juice inbetween the ring & the deck )
No problem unscrewing the deck without removing the ring.
+ considering how the air flow is on that tank, all honestly, you dont need to ever touch the airflow.
But i do agree that a not free spining ring would have been way better
The ubber tight air flow its only because of the SXK clone, which as i said, its a "bad" clone. ( i used it 5min then throwed it away, litteraly )
The SYMJ air flow is closer to the original one, ( more airy vs SXK ) and the original have an even better butter smooth air flow, that is ( for me ) perfect, not too tight, not too airy.
It change -everything-
I would NEVER EVER advise anyone to grab the SXK clone.
My only real con with this tank, its, since the deck is totaly flat, if you arent carefull when unscrewing, and not ready to soak up with a papel towel or so, you can end with juice on your finger.
All that to say, if you want to have a correct opinion on that tank ( for flavor & airflow ), try the real one
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I have a fine motor tremor. On certain tanks, it can be difficult. Not impossible but definitely difficult.
Do you think it would be easy for someone with no hands, or perhaps completely paralyzed? Come on now.
It IS difficult for some, rebuilding. That comment isn't really... It's a bit offensive to those of us who have personal challenges. I rebuild anyway, but it's always going to be my toughest vaping skill.
It's easy to imagine that because you have mastered something, it's easy for everyone. It's not. I'm not trying to be offensive, and I probably underestimated how hard life could be with an essential tremor (and it beats suicidal depression for 6 months out of the year any day of the week) but your comment is a bit dismissive to those of us who DO struggle, and well, frankly, I had to coil 3 times my last rebuild because I was having a bad day. When everything shakes, everything shakes, and it just makes it harder.
Anna
I'm kinda happy with the Nautilus and Nautilus Mini. They keep making them I'll keep buying them.
Setting wire around a screw is extremely easy... securing it strong enough so it will not slip out when you re position a coil (up/align it parallel) is not so... but maybe because i have a clone... or my sixty year old eyes
and building skills are bad.
2mm inner diameter coil is pretty hard to wick specially if you want to use SS wire that makes coil pretty long ( 12 wraps)... if you force wicking material you risk to mangle/skew coil and that is risky as coil sides are very close to deck posts screws.
As long as I have "doggy" I was never able unscrew deck (to do filling) without help of small wrench... and I never have problem with unscrewing Nautilus 2 that is known to have many complains about such difficulty... but maybe because my "doggy" is clone... original can be better...
I coiled and wicked my "doggy" several times... it is not impossible but for inexperienced beginner this tank is really not the best choice. I can coil my Siren2 RTA or Wasp Nano RDTA much, much, easier and draw and flavor is one magnitude better... but again maybe because I have a clone... I bet original is better.................
I do not regret buying my "doggy" it was just $14 and it is usable good looking tank but I would never recommend it as the best RTA tank particularly to beginner.
How come you take an extrem exemple to imply that it can be difficult, if you start to be empirical, in that case i will start to say that any deck is difficult / impossible to build if a person have no hand, no leg, and even any premade coil will be impossible to change, because his jawbone is paralized, right...
I mean, what i wrote its necessary "in general". Ppl with whatever motor function are smart enough ( i really do like to think that ) to understand that, So depending of their problems know that it could / couldnt be possible for them / too much trouble or not.
So not be offended because its normal that i will not start to think / list every hand issues / motor function problem.
( and just in case, at see your answer, no its not a lack of empathy, its just that in this case you will never end )
You are not offensive, but you create an issue where there isnt. Since i agreed saying that somes recent post design are indeed more handy compare a screw where you have to encircle a wire around.
anyway.
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Okay, I'm not quite clear on what you are trying to express, there. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But, I do think the bias of "I can do it fine, so everyone should be able to" remains in your post, and from what I can understand of this second reply.
I learned pretty early on to NOT do that (both in vaping and life) because everyone has different skill sets. I am rather good at DIY. My skills happen to shine in that area. I don't tell everyone staring DIY, "Oh, you know, mixing flavors, PG and Nicotine, I find that easy, so you definitely will."
Even using your "non handicapped" example, people have different levels of skill and practice in coilbuilding than you. So making a post that essentially says (any non handicapped, I guess is implied in your example, so handicapped people aren't PEOPLE, then) "Oh who can't wrap a post around a wire, because *I* can easily," has an inherent bias, both against persons with disabilities or persons less "skilled" than you.
I don't do it on here either, because the last thing someone who is attempting coiling for the first time is how "someone else finds it so easy" when they may be having a difficult time with it.
Maybe just think about your statement a little more. Do surgeons say, routinely, :"Oh anyone can repair a heart, I find it easy." Well, duh. And, I guarantee they did not find it easy at first, and also, YOUR mastery of a skill does not mean that EVERYONE has mastered a skill.
Also, if you want to "exempt" the handicapped from your example, that is rather rude. Because they are, by implication, not "anyone."
I found your word choices troubling, not to mention telling me (I think) that I am misguided in including folks who have some sort of disability compared to "anyone." I guess that makes them "no one."
I'm not really going after the PC issue, merely pointing out some reasoning flaws. I am "no one" then, and shouldn't mention that I find coil building difficult, as do many others? Is that what you are really saying? Is that what you REALLY want to say??????
Anna
But, I do think the bias of "I can do it fine, so everyone should be able to" remains in your post, and from what I can understand of this second reply.
I learned pretty early on to NOT do that (both in vaping and life) because everyone has different skill sets. I am rather good at DIY. My skills happen to shine in that area. I don't tell everyone staring DIY, "Oh, you know, mixing flavors, PG and Nicotine, I find that easy, so you definitely will."
Even using your "non handicapped" example, people have different levels of skill and practice in coilbuilding than you. So making a post that essentially says (any non handicapped, I guess is implied in your example, so handicapped people aren't PEOPLE, then) "Oh who can't wrap a post around a wire, because *I* can easily," has an inherent bias, both against persons with disabilities or persons less "skilled" than you.
I don't do it on here either, because the last thing someone who is attempting coiling for the first time is how "someone else finds it so easy" when they may be having a difficult time with it.
Maybe just think about your statement a little more. Do surgeons say, routinely, :"Oh anyone can repair a heart, I find it easy." Well, duh. And, I guarantee they did not find it easy at first, and also, YOUR mastery of a skill does not mean that EVERYONE has mastered a skill.
Also, if you want to "exempt" the handicapped from your example, that is rather rude. Because they are, by implication, not "anyone."
I found your word choices troubling, not to mention telling me (I think) that I am misguided in including folks who have some sort of disability compared to "anyone." I guess that makes them "no one."
I'm not really going after the PC issue, merely pointing out some reasoning flaws. I am "no one" then, and shouldn't mention that I find coil building difficult, as do many others? Is that what you are really saying? Is that what you REALLY want to say??????
Anna
Coiling rda/rta isnt easy, it will take time and learning. When you get it, its easy, but there is no short road to winning. Or you could ask for help, im pretty positive, that somewhere near you is somebody that would be happy to give you helping hand, with a smile
I doubt someone with no hands or is completely paralyzed would be vaping anyway, so coil building wouldn't even be a consideration. You may as well be saying that coloring a picture is hard because a fetus or a corpse can't do it.
You should have left it at, "it's difficult for you due to motor skill impairment". Maybe even include people with severe arthritis, and/or Parkinson's. Those are logical arguments. Going to the extreme illogical hurt your overall point, IMHO.
He tries to express there are no difficult rta decks to coil... all are equally easy for anyone (even for beginners )with exception of people who do not know how to encircle screw with a wire.... or have motor skill impairment.... since I do not have motor skill impairment I have to take some classes that teach how to encircle screw with a wire...
Let it be...
Aspire Triton BVC Clapton coils in the Nautilus Mini are pretty decent.
Though, I will say, the Nautilus Mini can be a pita to open if you screw it down too tight.
Though, I will say, the Nautilus Mini can be a pita to open if you screw it down too tight.
I tried lowering the wattage on sub ohm coils and they didn't produce barely any cloud or flavour, it was strange. I tested sub ohming with the guardian tank and the kangersubtank mini!
So the Ijoy tank, kayfun lite , vv berserker , doggystyle 2k16 have mini versions that can fit on the target mini mod and gives better flavour then the nautilus mini?
Did you try leaving wattage the same and closing off airflow and MTL?
Please, that's wrapping a wire around a screw...
While everyone have different skill set you also are a smart person to know that THIS is accessible to everyone ( minus particular case of motor function issues or so. o f c. its so logic that is shouldnt even be mentioned. )
Its not like i'am talking about actual particular skill set, like artistic ( draw / music / sculpture .. etc ) or even intellectual like somes advanced mental math ability, or memory.. or physical.. etc
beeing picky about what i've said, is like beeing picky about me saying "taking the stair is not difficult" because i dont say "taking the stair is accessible to everyone, unless you your leg are injured, unless your ankle are injured, unless you have a toe problem, unless you are in a wheel chair, unless you have a heart condition, unless you have a inner ear problem so your balance is affected when you take a stair, or because you are weak because of a flu, unless you have arthritis.. etc etc ( and the list can go on during a long time )
Well OFC in particular situation taking stair might be an issue, but are you EVERYTIME you say something list every single possibility where it can be an issue ? ofc not
People will know adapt what i'am saying according to their particular situation if there is one, ( or should i not have faith in people intelligence ? )
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I'm a long-time Nautilus X fan, and new to the Berserker mini. The PBusardo review was from when the Nauti X was new, so there are some things I would add/disagree with for that tank. The Nauti X also has a 1.8 ohm coil available now, that that one is by far the best for flavor with the juice I use. I can run it around 6W or lower and hit my happy place with the tank. Busardo had a complaint about inserting the coils, but if you can press your thumbnail into the slot at the top, you get a pretty good holding place to tighten/loosen it.
I am getting to know the Berserker mini, and have been happy now that I've learned to coil and wick it. I've made some 1.6 to 1.8 ohm coils for mine, and get pretty similar flavor as I do with the Nauti X. I've also run the sub-ohm coils that came with the tank and they did pretty decent too. The bonus with the Berserker is that some juices that gunk up coils can be burned off when you re-wick the coils on the rebuildable. I learned a tip on here about filling the Berserker on the bottom, and that was the best way to keep it from leaking on fill. The top is hard to manipulate and get a proper seal.
If you want to use your own drip tips, the Berserker will fit a 510 tip. The Nauti X has a special top, so you are pretty much limited to the one that comes on the tank. If you keep your watts lower on the Nauti X, you won't have the heat build up, but if you start running hotter temps, it can get hot and feel burning when you draw from the tip.
I run both of these mostly on a Provari, but have used the Pico as well.
I am getting to know the Berserker mini, and have been happy now that I've learned to coil and wick it. I've made some 1.6 to 1.8 ohm coils for mine, and get pretty similar flavor as I do with the Nauti X. I've also run the sub-ohm coils that came with the tank and they did pretty decent too. The bonus with the Berserker is that some juices that gunk up coils can be burned off when you re-wick the coils on the rebuildable. I learned a tip on here about filling the Berserker on the bottom, and that was the best way to keep it from leaking on fill. The top is hard to manipulate and get a proper seal.
If you want to use your own drip tips, the Berserker will fit a 510 tip. The Nauti X has a special top, so you are pretty much limited to the one that comes on the tank. If you keep your watts lower on the Nauti X, you won't have the heat build up, but if you start running hotter temps, it can get hot and feel burning when you draw from the tip.
I run both of these mostly on a Provari, but have used the Pico as well.
Ok let me say it the politically correct way:
IF you have the intelligence, the motor skills, the eye sight, and the inclination to wrap a piece of wire around a screw, bolt or metal rod AND you have the ability to stuff a piece of cotton through the resulting coil, then YOU TOO can build your own coils.
Disclaimer: These statements are intended for educational purposes only and do not necessarily reflect the views of ECF or the poster. These statements do not have any warranty for any particular fitness or purpose, either expressed or implied. By reading these statements you agree not to hold ECF or the poster liable for the use, misuse, or misunderstanding of these statements.
IF you have the intelligence, the motor skills, the eye sight, and the inclination to wrap a piece of wire around a screw, bolt or metal rod AND you have the ability to stuff a piece of cotton through the resulting coil, then YOU TOO can build your own coils.
Disclaimer: These statements are intended for educational purposes only and do not necessarily reflect the views of ECF or the poster. These statements do not have any warranty for any particular fitness or purpose, either expressed or implied. By reading these statements you agree not to hold ECF or the poster liable for the use, misuse, or misunderstanding of these statements.
Thank you everyone for your suggestions ! I definately want to try some of these tanks too bad that berserker one is really expensive !
too bad that berserker one is really expensive !- Status
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