Basic Questions: Helping my Mom
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Ex-smokers often relapse, and as noted before by other posters, the idea that once the nicotine is out of your system it isn't affecting you is hopelessly simplistic. Kind of like thinking once you've split up with somebody they shouldn't affect you any more - works for some, sometimes.
Give her a good electronic cigarette, with nicotine in, and it has a chance of working, assuming she wants it to work. Give her a placebo, and she'll pretty much guaranteed chuck it away. And it'll take a heck of a lot of persuasion for her to want to try it again, because she'll think they don't work.
Gotta agree with what everyone's saying here - she's a smoker - she's knows the kind of hit you get from a cigarette if you haven't smoked in a while - if the e-cig you get her doesn't have it then she'll still be craving cigarettes.
She's an adult and whilst you obviously care very much, what she does is very much her own business. E-cigs may be a viable alternative for her (and much, much healthier than real cigs) but if that first experience is a bad one then the chance of getting her to stay on e-cigs is down to whether she wants to persevere or not.
Were I in your situation I'd get an eGo and a good 12mg/1.2% Red Label Tobacco e-juice and try and make that e-cigarette just as good as any real cigarette she could buy.
For non-smokers, I always think this Friends clip captures smoking perfectly
She's an adult and whilst you obviously care very much, what she does is very much her own business. E-cigs may be a viable alternative for her (and much, much healthier than real cigs) but if that first experience is a bad one then the chance of getting her to stay on e-cigs is down to whether she wants to persevere or not.
Were I in your situation I'd get an eGo and a good 12mg/1.2% Red Label Tobacco e-juice and try and make that e-cigarette just as good as any real cigarette she could buy.
For non-smokers, I always think this Friends clip captures smoking perfectly
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I'd get both a cigalike and an eGo plus both some 0 nic and some higher nic juice. I'd personally think that after 3 months, the addiction to the nicotine is gone, but it doesn't work that way for everyone. I think I'd explain to her that it's the smoke and chemicals added part that is harmful, and that the ecigs can deliver the nic and approximate smoking without the harm factor. Good luck and let us know what you get and how it goes!!
Are you using an ecig yourself and does she see you doing it? How does she react to that?
Are you using an ecig yourself and does she see you doing it? How does she react to that?
Nicotine is a heck of a lot less harmful than the rest of cigarette smoke, but that isn't to say it's harmless - particularly for the cardiovascular system.
I understand that you are trying your best to help your mom. I don’t question that so if some of this comes off on the screen as being harsh, it’s NOT intended to be that way.
It doesn’t sound like your mom was given much of a chance to quit on her own, she was forced by circumstances and you have prolonged that by, I assume, refusing to buy her cigarettes. Nicotine is the easy part to give up. There are something like 3,000-4,000 chemicals and around 67 carcinogens in cigarettes. Tobacco companies have been working for decades, very successfully, to engineer a more potent and more addictive product. Withdrawal symptoms can go on for a long time.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html
You can’t force her to quit. It won’t work. She has to want to do it. I smoked for 43 years and had a rough go switching to vaping and I really, really wanted to quit. Other have smoked just as long, picked up a ecig and never looked back. They literally quit by accident, but everyone I’ve ever heard of used nicotine to quit. The nicotine is not the bad part of a cigarette, it’s all the other stuff and burning plant material. Take your mother to the store and let her chose what she wants, especially the juice. Get 12-18mg nicotine juice and an identical bottle of 0 nic juice so she can mix it down to what she needs. Then introduce her to ECF where she can learn about ecigarettes, make friends and ask her own questions. Who knows, by New Years she might be blowing sub ohm clouds but that won’t happen by you leading her around by a bull ring.
I know you mean well but if I was your mom at this point, I’d be pretty mad, frustrated and unwilling to try anything other than a “real” cigarette. People still get cravings and fall off the wagon three years after their last cigarette. Even if she gives it a try and goes back to cigarettes now, chances are she will again try the ecig on down the road. Please, just don’t ram it down her throat. She’s in a prime place to convert now--she may well find cigarettes quite repulsive now if she hasn’t even smelled on in three months--and I promise you, there is not a single person here that isn’t pulling for your mom to have success with ecigs. Best of luck to both of you. Please tell her we are rooting for her.
It doesn’t sound like your mom was given much of a chance to quit on her own, she was forced by circumstances and you have prolonged that by, I assume, refusing to buy her cigarettes. Nicotine is the easy part to give up. There are something like 3,000-4,000 chemicals and around 67 carcinogens in cigarettes. Tobacco companies have been working for decades, very successfully, to engineer a more potent and more addictive product. Withdrawal symptoms can go on for a long time.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hen-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html
You can’t force her to quit. It won’t work. She has to want to do it. I smoked for 43 years and had a rough go switching to vaping and I really, really wanted to quit. Other have smoked just as long, picked up a ecig and never looked back. They literally quit by accident, but everyone I’ve ever heard of used nicotine to quit. The nicotine is not the bad part of a cigarette, it’s all the other stuff and burning plant material. Take your mother to the store and let her chose what she wants, especially the juice. Get 12-18mg nicotine juice and an identical bottle of 0 nic juice so she can mix it down to what she needs. Then introduce her to ECF where she can learn about ecigarettes, make friends and ask her own questions. Who knows, by New Years she might be blowing sub ohm clouds but that won’t happen by you leading her around by a bull ring.
I know you mean well but if I was your mom at this point, I’d be pretty mad, frustrated and unwilling to try anything other than a “real” cigarette. People still get cravings and fall off the wagon three years after their last cigarette. Even if she gives it a try and goes back to cigarettes now, chances are she will again try the ecig on down the road. Please, just don’t ram it down her throat. She’s in a prime place to convert now--she may well find cigarettes quite repulsive now if she hasn’t even smelled on in three months--and I promise you, there is not a single person here that isn’t pulling for your mom to have success with ecigs. Best of luck to both of you. Please tell her we are rooting for her.
My 2 cents is to get her an ego style with a top coil clearomizer (for the warmth of the vapor) and the lowest nic you can because at 3 months she is no longer nic dependent (her brain is not demanding nic) but she may be remembering how smoking calmed her nerves when she was nic dependent
I DIY for myself and my best friend - I started him at 18mg and have worked him down to 3mg without his knowledge (his wife knows) over the last 4 months. When he told me to make his next batch at 15mg because he thinks he was ready to start cutting down. we almost gave it away when his wife blew rum and coke out her nose when he said that though.
I think just the action of simulating smoking should possibly satisfy your mother maybe (was this statement noncommittal enough - I should be a doctor )
I DIY for myself and my best friend - I started him at 18mg and have worked him down to 3mg without his knowledge (his wife knows) over the last 4 months. When he told me to make his next batch at 15mg because he thinks he was ready to start cutting down. we almost gave it away when his wife blew rum and coke out her nose when he said that though.
I think just the action of simulating smoking should possibly satisfy your mother maybe (was this statement noncommittal enough - I should be a doctor
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A smoker, or ex smoker, is also addicted to the way smoke hits the back of your throat. We call it throat hit. The fact is, 0 nicotine juice doesn't provide that throat hit. It won't FEEL like a cigarette to her. Part of what makes vaping so successful for me is the punch of the vapor. A huge part, that I'd fail without.
I smoked 48 years and it will take an ego style battery with variable voltage to make her happy. Once you have that and get good tanks the second problem is a juice supplier she likes. It will take some trial and error to get her happy, but it will work.
Go to a brick and morter store.
get 2 atomizers with pyrex tanks and replacable coils, the Davide-Aspire or the CE5-Aspire are both inexpensive and really really happy making atos.
Get either 2-3 variable voltage batteries (spinners) or just go up to a VW mod (the pricing works out the same eventually)
Get at least 5 spare coil units. Lower resistance for the spinners, higher for mods
Get a charger.
AND the MOST important part: Take her with you and let her decide on several flavors she likes.
Get several levels of nicotine, I am cool with 24% but I have friends that have had to back down to 18 then 12% because they tend to chain vape.
Be aware of Nicotine OD symptoms.
Be aware that most Us and Canadian based online stores are really fast about shipping stuff out and priority mail is pretty quick so if yo u find a setup you really like for $100 you can probably get the same rig for $50 or less online. With a B&M you are paying for the convenience.
Case in point, I can get at online pricing:
2) Aspire mini tanks for $9 each = $18
5) new coils $13.50
1) sigeili VMZX $40
3) 18350 Efest batteries $5 each = $15 (or AWs for $8ea)
1) 18350 carrying case $1
1) Nitecore 2-bay battery charger $15.00
Shipping +/- $10.00 depending
Total for a top flight setup $112 to your door in a couple of days
for EGO batteries, twists run about $20.00 per so 2 twists = $40 plus charger $10 and 2 atomizers $18
Go ahead and get several bottles of juice, for one thing you do not want to run out and for another tastes change not only over time, but your taste buds overload and yo cant taste that flavor anymore.
DO NOT let the B&M sell her a kit with batteries smaller than 600mah, many will sell kits with 400mah or smaller batteries which are indeed small, but they run out of juice really really quick and you are always charging the darned things. get at least 600 and try for 800.
Also be aware of costs when you go to the store.
get 2 atomizers with pyrex tanks and replacable coils, the Davide-Aspire or the CE5-Aspire are both inexpensive and really really happy making atos.
Get either 2-3 variable voltage batteries (spinners) or just go up to a VW mod (the pricing works out the same eventually)
Get at least 5 spare coil units. Lower resistance for the spinners, higher for mods
Get a charger.
AND the MOST important part: Take her with you and let her decide on several flavors she likes.
Get several levels of nicotine, I am cool with 24% but I have friends that have had to back down to 18 then 12% because they tend to chain vape.
Be aware of Nicotine OD symptoms.
Be aware that most Us and Canadian based online stores are really fast about shipping stuff out and priority mail is pretty quick so if yo u find a setup you really like for $100 you can probably get the same rig for $50 or less online. With a B&M you are paying for the convenience.
Case in point, I can get at online pricing:
2) Aspire mini tanks for $9 each = $18
5) new coils $13.50
1) sigeili VMZX $40
3) 18350 Efest batteries $5 each = $15 (or AWs for $8ea)
1) 18350 carrying case $1
1) Nitecore 2-bay battery charger $15.00
Shipping +/- $10.00 depending
Total for a top flight setup $112 to your door in a couple of days
for EGO batteries, twists run about $20.00 per so 2 twists = $40 plus charger $10 and 2 atomizers $18
Go ahead and get several bottles of juice, for one thing you do not want to run out and for another tastes change not only over time, but your taste buds overload and yo cant taste that flavor anymore.
DO NOT let the B&M sell her a kit with batteries smaller than 600mah, many will sell kits with 400mah or smaller batteries which are indeed small, but they run out of juice really really quick and you are always charging the darned things. get at least 600 and try for 800.
Also be aware of costs when you go to the store.
since you want her to stay quit... then convince her, that she can do so.
if you get her some disposables, just get lowest dosage available.
i'll bet, since she's been off of cigs for so long, light throat hit should be enuff to keep her from the real cigs.
substitute, with SUBSTITUTE equipment .. not with mods/egos.
go CIGALIKE.
right now, money is not the issue (not going overboard).
Health is the primary.
get cigalikes, get low dosage (i would suggest) vs. 0 nic.
get sampler flavors.
she can only vape is SHE WANTS TO VAPE ... and right now, as you mentioned, she wants to SMOKE.
by giving her the option of a straight-up substitute, i think you have a shot, but do not do MODS. they are too big.
she'll complain - but this is conjecture.
maybe she'll find it big and shiny and take to it... but i think the substitution concept works best for quiting real cigs.
if you get her some disposables, just get lowest dosage available.
i'll bet, since she's been off of cigs for so long, light throat hit should be enuff to keep her from the real cigs.
substitute, with SUBSTITUTE equipment .. not with mods/egos.
go CIGALIKE.
right now, money is not the issue (not going overboard).
Health is the primary.
get cigalikes, get low dosage (i would suggest) vs. 0 nic.
get sampler flavors.
she can only vape is SHE WANTS TO VAPE ... and right now, as you mentioned, she wants to SMOKE.
by giving her the option of a straight-up substitute, i think you have a shot, but do not do MODS. they are too big.
she'll complain - but this is conjecture.
maybe she'll find it big and shiny and take to it... but i think the substitution concept works best for quiting real cigs.
OP, you've gotten a lot of great advice here - please keep it all in mind.
#1 - Treat her like you'd want to be treated! Be HONEST with her!
#2 - Take her along, make it an enjoyable trip!
#3 - Encourage her to savor the whole process - she's forming a new habit to replace the old one!
#4 - Be supportive with whatever she chooses!
Good luck & let us know how it goes!
~K
#1 - Treat her like you'd want to be treated! Be HONEST with her!
#2 - Take her along, make it an enjoyable trip!
#3 - Encourage her to savor the whole process - she's forming a new habit to replace the old one!
#4 - Be supportive with whatever she chooses!
Good luck & let us know how it goes!
~K
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