Australian anger at e-cig in THE TOURIST [Herald Sun]

[rothenbj]

I actually knew that. As far as the government calling for an untested theory, that could be repeating itself today with the FSC/RIP smokes. I have this uneasy feeling about that little requirement that may eventually lead too some serious consequences if my experience is any indication.

 

[Concat]

Is it even explicitly obvious that Johnny Depp is smoking an ecig WITH nicotine?

 

[Traver]

I actually knew that. As far as the government calling for an untested theory, that could be repeating itself today with the FSC/RIP smokes. I have this uneasy feeling about that little requirement that may eventually lead too some serious consequences if my experience is any indication.

Isn't that what we are doing, hawking an untested product and theory.

 

[Vocalek]

Isn't that what we are doing, hawking an untested product and theory.

Yes, and all that hawking is producing a lot of phlegm.

 

[Zal42]

Isn't that what we are doing, hawking an untested product and theory.

Yes, but there are two main differences: we are not using government authority to mandate or urge their use, and we are honest and upfront about their untested nature.

 

[Traver]

Yes, but there are two main differences: we are not using government authority to mandate or urge their use, and we are honest and upfront about their untested nature.

Good point.

 

[rothenbj]

Traver, the government didn't give the smokers a choice on an untested and what I believe unhealthy addition to what they consider an unhealthy product. Perhaps it's a new attitude with RIP, Quit or Die a lot faster. Not that I vape a lot these days (thank you Swedish snus, a long term tested product), but when I do I feel I'm doing much less harm than I did smoking the latest incarnation of the cigarette.

This isn't the first time the government has stepped in and forced/mandated/agreed with the tobacco industry to on changes to cigarettes. They were originally, at least, complicit in having the tobacco companies offer low tar and nicotine cigarettes as a safer alternative than smoking. Heck, it was under their recommendations that I did so. Then years later they came back and said they were more dangerous than full flavored smokes because you smoked more.

Now after claiming that and forcing the tobacco industry to remove the light and ultra light designation from the packs, you have former FDA commissioner Kessler suggesting that the FDA force the tobacco industry to reduce the nicotine in cigarettes so they're not "so addicting". Circular logic at its best.

 

[Traver]

Traver, the government didn't give the smokers a choice on an untested and what I believe unhealthy addition to what they consider an unhealthy product. Perhaps it's a new attitude with RIP, Quit or Die a lot faster. Not that I vape a lot these days (thank you Swedish snus, a long term tested product), but when I do I feel I'm doing much less harm than I did smoking the latest incarnation of the cigarette.

This isn't the first time the government has stepped in and forced/mandated/agreed with the Tobacco industry to on changes to cigarettes. They were originally, at least, complicit in having the tobacco companies offer low tar and nicotine cigarettes as a safer alternative than smoking. Heck, it was under their recommendations that I did so. Then years later they came back and said they were more dangerous than full flavored smokes because you smoked more.

Now after claiming that and forcing the tobacco industry to remove the light and ultra light designation from the packs, you have former FDA commissioner Kessler suggesting that the FDA force the tobacco industry to reduce the nicotine in cigarettes so they're not "so addicting". Circular logic at its best.

I think Zal42's point is more relevant to our situation. I also think that at the time low tar cigarettes came out the government was doing it with good intentions and it is just one example of unintended consequences. To me it seems that money and businesses have much more power with the government now that at that time. I think all of us believe that e cigs are a healthier alternative to smoking.

 

[shamreez]

Tobacco industry is one of the biggest cash making machines in the world now (I mentioned world not country)

So if there is a device which can pull away people from smoking they will try to resist it tooth and nail.

Vaping might not be 100% safe but so is my coffee and my morning stroll in the park and my driving and the list would go on...

The main this is I damage myself at least 80% less and I damage people around me 99% less which is all I care about..

So I would say let everybody under the payroll of the tobacco industry bark as much as they want..

I don't care a damn.....

 

[Traver]

Tobacco industry is one of the biggest cash making machines in the world now (I mentioned world not country)

So if there is a device which can pull away people from smoking they will try to resist it tooth and nail.

Vaping might not be 100% safe but so is my coffee and my morning stroll in the park and my driving and the list would go on...

The main this is I damage myself at least 80% less and I damage people around me 99% less which is all I care about..

So I would say let everybody under the payroll of the tobacco industry bark as much as they want..

I don't care a damn.....

It doesn't seem like the tobacco companies are putting much effort in opposing e cigs. I have also seen hints here and there on the web that they are already invested in e cigs. Our opposition is coming from the drug companies and the anti smoking non profits.

 

[MoonRose]

It doesn't seem like the tobacco companies are putting much effort in opposing e cigs. I have also seen hints here and there on the web that they are already invested in e cigs. Our opposition is coming from the drug companies and the anti smoking non profits.

Only they are not really non-profits as they profit quite handsomly from the donations they receive from the large pharmaceutical companies.

 

[Laszlo]

It doesn't seem like the tobacco companies are putting much effort in opposing e cigs.

This is only a speculation on my part, but once BT find in their profit/loss statements that e-cigs are eating on their profits, they will do something about it. I doubt that this is happening now as I would guess that the e-cig market is still negligible in size compared to tobacco selling markets.

 

[Vocalek]

This is only a speculation on my part, but once BT find in their profit/loss statements that e-cigs are eating on their profits, they will do something about it. I doubt that this is happening now as I would guess that the e-cig market is still negligible in size compared to tobacco selling markets.

Probably quite true. They will buy up as many existing e-cigarette companies as they can and also work to produce new improved products in their own labs. There is no reason for them to want e-cigarettes outlawed when these products represent a viable new revenue stream for them.

 

[DataPhreak]

"These e-cigarettes mightn't give you lung cancer, but they can lead to stroke, heart attacks and coronary heart disease." "

So can "living" in our world today. You want to quit that?

Also, Mc.Donald's...

 

[Traver]

Probably quite true. They will buy up as many existing e-cigarette companies as they can and also work to produce new improved products in their own labs. There is no reason for them to want e-cigarettes outlawed when these products represent a viable new revenue stream for them.

I don't have any real evidence but that would be my guess too.

 

[Bustastew]

I am scared that large companies buying out small ones like notcigs.com for example will destroy the quality in PV's like their Buzz and Infinity.