Alas, I'm too far away to actually do something at the event, nor would I go alone in this. But am close enough to my keyboard to advocate that we the vapers do something about this.
Are you KIDDING ME??? Vape banned for 4th of July!
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Alas, I'm too far away to actually do something at the event, nor would I go alone in this. But am close enough to my keyboard to advocate that we the vapers do something about this.
As am I, but every little bit counts. Just think of Ghandi. He refused to give in or hide and changed the world, by purely peaceful means.
One step at a time. Besides, if there's one thing I've learned in my life, it's amazing what you can accomplish if you simply do it without making a fuss or bother. If you act like it's completely normal and acceptable, often enough people will respond to that attitude.
It was done in NYC, with somewhat interesting results...
Summary of the civil disobedience protest in Central Park against the Bloomberg vaping ban in NYC
Not necessarily. Smoking and drinking are two different animals. "Most" people drink occasionally or have a drink or two in the evening which is not considered unhealthy. Smoking cigarettes is virtually never done occasionally and is considered extremely unhealthy. There's the difference.
Getting back to the 4th of July celebration which was the point of my comment. My cities 4th of July event doesn't allow drinking for obvious reasons. There are those that don't smoke or vape which is the majority of people. They have children who will most likely not smoke or vape. It's not just you or my family it's other people's families. Children could get the idea that since the person vaping doesn't have to go where the "bad" smokers do then vaping must be ok.
That's all to my point. Just because we vape doesn't mean our rights out trump other people's rights. We don't know if vaping is good or bad. It's certainly not as good as not vaping. Will it end up being benign? We don't know.
I just spent eleven minutes trying to will my head to explode. I didn't use my diaphragm to create pressure. It's not that I wasn't fully committed to the attempt. I just didn't see the point of willing a headache into existence without creating any auxiliary effect.
But alas. No matter how focused my intent, my efforts failed completely. My head is still intact. Maybe I'll try again later.
But alas. No matter how focused my intent, my efforts failed completely. My head is still intact. Maybe I'll try again later.
We just don't know how you kept your head from exploding, but it's a great thing for the children that it didn't explode. 
Yeah. Two ANTZ anthems in one mash up there. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Yeah. Two ANTZ anthems in one mash up there. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
My sister and my brother in law were health freaks. Didn't smoke, had their "bar" under lock and key. They had 3 sons, the 2 oldest took heavy duty drugs (one of them overdosed and survived) and both have alcohol problems.
I on the other hand, am not a health freak, smoked throughout my 3 children's childhood. I don't drink because I don't like the feeling of being out of control of my body's reflexes and never did drugs, not even the popular {OTHER STUFF} during my teenage years. My youngest is now 26 and none of my kids got into alcohol, drugs, and they don't even smoke. My youngest got into pipe smoking a few years ago, but he's now vaping 0nic juice. My nephews have told me to my face in front of their mother that they admire and respect me and they wish I had been their mother too even though they didn't want for anything while they were growing up. I on the other hand was a single parent and my main goal as a mother was to prepare my children for life without me.
Raising children is more than what you do in front of them, it's important to instill character and principles and help them discern that things aren't always black or while, but the majority of the time it's about making the right or wrong decision. Even if they make a mistake, it's all right as long as they pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and try again.
I on the other hand, am not a health freak, smoked throughout my 3 children's childhood. I don't drink because I don't like the feeling of being out of control of my body's reflexes and never did drugs, not even the popular {OTHER STUFF} during my teenage years. My youngest is now 26 and none of my kids got into alcohol, drugs, and they don't even smoke. My youngest got into pipe smoking a few years ago, but he's now vaping 0nic juice. My nephews have told me to my face in front of their mother that they admire and respect me and they wish I had been their mother too even though they didn't want for anything while they were growing up. I on the other hand was a single parent and my main goal as a mother was to prepare my children for life without me.
Raising children is more than what you do in front of them, it's important to instill character and principles and help them discern that things aren't always black or while, but the majority of the time it's about making the right or wrong decision. Even if they make a mistake, it's all right as long as they pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and try again.
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People seriously need to stop with ......ed statements like this! The kids! Quit using "the kids" scenarios as a scapegoat because you can't come up with an intelligent rebuttal. Just because kids do stupids things, it doesn't mean their stupid or have no self control. They know right from wrong and what they should and shouldn't do.
Yeah and let's put the vaper's with the smokers, cause that makes since. Because after all, they look like their doing the same thing. Let's put the diabetics and their insulin needles in the rehab centers with the ...... addicts. Because after all, it looks like their doing the same thing.
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People seriously need to stop with the disparaging comments when someone voices an opinion different from their own.
Wouldn't be any big deal to me if an event I wanted to attend didn't allow vaping or red shirts & brown boots.
Fireworks generally travel a good distance into the air, find a good spot to watch from that isn't on the property that has banned whatever.
Wouldn't be any big deal to me if an event I wanted to attend didn't allow vaping or red shirts & brown boots.
Fireworks generally travel a good distance into the air, find a good spot to watch from that isn't on the property that has banned whatever.
You're actually not too far off there. This is the attitude in a lot of places towards syringes. In many states, you need a prescription to even posses an insulin syringe, and many, many people consider those with Type 1 diabetes to be addicts. The attitude is, "Well, if they just stopped eating all that sugar, they wouldn't need to take insulin. My uncle/brother/nephew/alloftheabove has dibetus and he don't need no insulin."
Also, like vaping, taking insulin in public will freak a lot of people out. I've heard of people getting thrown out of restaurants, being forced into bathrooms, or made to go outside to take their insulin because some idiot didn't want their precious little darling to see someone take a shot.
Ya know, that might be why I have such a nasty attitude about the whole thing. Compared to someone literally screaming and wailing over an insulin syringe or insulin pen, vaping, not so much a big deal. Most people at least ask the waitress or the manager if they're going to be a nuisance about vaping. They rarely shriek at the top of their lungs or faint.
And no, I don't think 'wait until you get home' or 'well, then don't go out in public' is acceptable. Breast feeding, same thing. It's HIGHLY offensive to many people in our culture. Women have been thrown off planes and out of restaurants. Personally, feed the kid. Then they're quiet.
I have a solution. Ban the easily offended from going out in public.
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Good point. We normally watch from our roof where I will be be sitting in a lawn chair vaping away with a beer. There's about half a million people that go to this event which I did once and never again.
If you've ever been to my cities fireworks display, there's hundreds of thousands of people and at least a third of them are kids. You also have to remember, we're not that far from smokers lighting up everywhere. Not to long ago I remember when I was in North Carolina and a smoker that when you went to the super market they had little ashtrays all over the market - in the produce section, meat section, deli. It was crazy! I wouldn't go near a place if they let people smoke anymore. I don't even visit my friends at the cigar shop I used to go to because the stench is so bad. My clothes smell for hours.
Point being, why do we get to vape where we want and not the tobacco users? Just because for us, we are doing so much better than a tobacco user and honestly, it's so much more enjoyable and safer that doesn't mean non-vapors want to deal with it. At least where my fireworks displays are done, people are lined up like sardines in the heat for a whole day. Why do we have special rights to impinge on others?
Because vaping is nowhere near as strong smelling or harmful to others as many other things humans/critters put into the air. That seems to rather be a no brainer to me. Now admittedly, places are banning perfume and cologne, so there is that. And the whackjobs haven't tried to ban flatulence yet. I'm waiting.
So until they ban flatulence, strong deodorants, no deodorants, scented shampoos, soaps and hand lotions, makeup, incense, patchuli oil, sandlewood beads, amber, myrrh and frankincense resins, curry, garlic, onions, basil, pastrami, pepperoni, aged cheese, ripe fruit, peppers, coffee, tea, BBQ, hamburgers, hotdogs, popcorn, sausage, pork, beef, tree nuts, peanuts, peanut butter ... and anything else someone might be offended by or allergic to, then I'll keep right on vaping. Oh, and don't forget automobiles, campfires, fire pits, torches and candles, all of which produce carcinogens, carbon dioxide and water vapor.
That's why vaping is acceptable where smoking isn't.
I'm not saying vaper's should get special treatment. The whole point in vaping (at least for me) is to stay away from the harmful affects of smoking. I'm also not condoning a vaping free for all either. I believe there's time and place for everything. So vaping in a crowded place, whether fair or in this case... a fireworks show is inconsiderate to others. My point I was trying to get across is... people vape usually for one reason only. To keep our self's from going back to cigarettes. So to force or to segregate us to vape with smokers is a bit unfair. Putting us with smokers not only temps those who are having trouble kicking their analog addiction but, your also asking us to partake in their second hand smoke.
I was bit upset with "the kids" remark. Yes, kids are impressionable. Just because kids see others doing things doesn't mean they plan on doing it. This "the kids" scapegoat isn't new or just for the vaping community. Music, TV, video games, you name it. Are blamed for kinds of misbehavior that kids get into. "Grand Theft Auto is a gateway to violence!" "Vaping is a gateway to smoking!" This all bull crap. Parents don't want to take accountability for their bad parenting and kids don't want to take responsibility for their poor decision making. That's what it all boils down to. The human race is the smartest species on this planet and somehow we're the dumbest too.
Sorry for the rants and this small novel.
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This so much reminds me of the conservative "decency and good american values" which dis-allowed women to breast feed in public.
It was considered immoral and disgusting, and everyone wanted them go hide in a public restroom stall (YUK!) with their newborns.
Now, we get into the territory of "appropriate" breast feeding, insulin injections, vaping, smoking, etc. I believe all these things can be done in an appropriate manner, in public; however, some people always go overboard and ruin it for others.
As for drinking, I stopped going to large events where they sell alcohol, not because I"m against drinking but because there's always a few who over-indulge and do something like throw up on your shoes, or become obnoxious, or bump into you, etc. because their {good} judgement has been altered. Alcohol and large public crowds don't mix well, IMHO.
Discretion is absolutely the better part of valor.
I was brought up many generations ago and people were a lot more respectful of each other. These days, it seems like some kind of "badge of courage" to be outraged and/or have an almost militant attitude toward ANYTHING and ANYBODY who doesn't see eye to eye with what you believe in.
Kinda sad, glad I didn't grow up like that.
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Now, we get into the territory of "appropriate" breast feeding, insulin injections, vaping, smoking, etc. I believe all these things can be done in an appropriate manner, in public; however, some people always go overboard and ruin it for others.
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Kinda sad, glad I didn't grow up like that.
Ain't that the truth? Me too and sometimes it really does get to me.
Myself, I blame it on the fact that in most places, people never grow up. They're perpetual children who can't be trusted to act respectfully towards those around them and mind their own business at the same time. And when everything is either mandatory or forbidden, people loose any judgement they might have once had. When the laws and rules and regulations are so pervasive almost everything someone does is controlled, people stop thinking about their decisions beyond what's allowed by all the rules. This is the behavior of a child, not an adult.
Rather than simply acting with common decency it's "Well, no one said I couldn't!" What does that have to do with it? It's rude. Just like getting all offended when, in a restaurant, outdoors, someone is vaping and they look like they're enjoying it too much! (real example here. Someone complained to management a patron at a distant table was enjoying vaping after a meal too much and needed to be asked to stop.) Gah. Give me a break. If you don't like it, look away. Note, it wasn't about the 'second hand vapor' or the 'smell' or anything, it was the appearance of someone enjoying something.
Next thing they'll ban are certain restaurants. "That person over there is enjoying his meal. I'm a vegetarian and I'm offended at how much he's enjoying his steak!" (said in a steak house)
Ain't that the truth? Me too and sometimes it really does get to me.
Myself, I blame it on the fact that in most places, people never grow up. They're perpetual children who can't be trusted to act respectfully towards those around them and mind their own business at the same time. And when everything is either mandatory or forbidden, people loose any judgement they might have once had. When the laws and rules and regulations are so pervasive almost everything someone does is controlled, people stop thinking about their decisions beyond what's allowed by all the rules. This is the behavior of a child, not an adult.
Rather than simply acting with common decency it's "Well, no one said I couldn't!" What does that have to do with it? It's rude. Just like getting all offended when, in a restaurant, outdoors, someone is vaping and they look like they're enjoying it too much! (real example here. Someone complained to management a patron at a distant table was enjoying vaping after a meal too much and needed to be asked to stop.) Gah. Give me a break. If you don't like it, look away. Note, it wasn't about the 'second hand vapor' or the 'smell' or anything, it was the appearance of someone enjoying something.
Next thing they'll ban are certain restaurants. "That person over there is enjoying his meal. I'm a vegetarian and I'm offended at how much he's enjoying his steak!" (said in a steak house)
Well basically, I think there are a lot of spoiled people. But what is more concerning is the trend I noticed in last 2 decades, that people don't even seem to LIKE other people anymore.
Maybe it's from sitting behind computers too much or something.
Mainly though, I have no use for inflexible people, IMHO flexibility is a hallmark of being an adult. Toddlers throw tantrums. Adults are able to contain themselve, their emotions and yes, their appetites. I don't believe that inflexible people are "built" for the 21st century in an increasingly populated world.
Inflexibility isn't dependent on whether you are a Vaper or an ANTZ. I;ve seen instances in which it appears to be just 2 different sides of the same mirror.
Adults are supposed to be able to solve the "I want to do this but you don't want me to" challenges in life. That is what living is supposed to teach us.
Funny to me that so many are against compromise, yet compromise is a fact of life. It's a fact of marriage, too.....at least, if you want a successful one.
It is the glue that keeps relationships together.
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I hope I never like vaping so much that I miss out on things I enjoy because I can't vape while doing them
Ummmm... You kind of addressed that question in the first paragraph, didn't you?
People - read this slowly...
It
Is
Not
Smoking
When someone I'm talking with uses the "looks like smoking" dodge, I have a ready reply...
"Obviously looks can be deceiving. You LOOK like someone who is reasonable and can make decisions based on facts and have the ability to filter out junk science."
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