I use 100% VG most of the time. I think I have minor alergic reactions to PG. I have had no issues at all with VG.
Any negative effects with VG?
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Have seen PG listed on--toothpaste--food flavorings (Check the extracts in baking section at your grocery store)--
few more "foods " I can't recall at the moment----and used in some Med. inhalers.
few more "foods " I can't recall at the moment----and used in some Med. inhalers.
I didn't like VG at all, it's way to mellow for me. IMO, it's not similar to a smoking experience... but I was one of those folks who would rather smoke filterless than lights.
Yes, propylene glycol is widely recognized as a skin irritant.
In my opinion that is the main reason it provides the "throat hit" that many crave.
As for the liver and kidney damage, it is my understanding that is only if ingested in very large quantities.
I don't remember where I read that, but I do recall reading it, and felt the amounts in question were not any concern for us.
If I knew for sure I would have called it something more descriptive.
I acts like phlegm, and I think it is just my lungs bringing up the VG (and maybe some PG as well) that might be in my lungs.
Of course, I consider that to be a good thing, since it is better than leaving it all in my lungs.
That is what lungs are supposed to do.
I basically get some congestion every morning, like I did when I was smoking.
It clears up after a few coughs and a few blown noses, which it did NOT do when I was smoking.
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/egpg/docs/egpg.pdf
Quote:
"Lack of Renal Effects
Propylene glycol has not been associated with nephrotoxicity caused by
calcium oxalate in humans. Unlike ethylene glycol, propylene glycol is
not metabolized to oxalic acid, so calcium oxalate is not deposited in the
kidneys (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry 1997). "
I used the Google and this is what I found...
Propylene Glycol Toxic Chemical Report
This may or may not be what I read before, but it is pretty much the same thing.
Propylene Glycol Toxic Chemical Report
This may or may not be what I read before, but it is pretty much the same thing.
So this shows PG can be unhealthy in very high doses, but what (if anything) does this apply for VG? VG sounds more "natural," but I am hesitant to believe it is harmless just because it comes from vegetables. But, my question is, is it more or less harmful than PG?
I'm so confused about this. Seems like the majority of juices/cartomizers are PG, but some of the stuff I've read concerns me a little. Is there really that much of a difference?
(posted this before Rosa's post)
(posted this before Rosa's post)
From my understanding, (take it with cautious, as I am new to this all), they are very chemically similar.
My personal experience with VG:
(This is from trying it two different times many months apart so I know it was the VG)
Nasal congestion/infection, sneezing, thick/sticky mucous, Chest/lung pain when trying to breath in too deep in certain areas (pleurisy?). The one that concerned me the most was involuntary movements of my muscles/limbs. This makes me believe there is some sort of neuro-toxicity associated with VG. I would just be sitting watching TV or relaxing in bed and my arm/leg/hand/shoulder would just jerk. These symptoms subsided within a week of stopping VG both times.
(This is from trying it two different times many months apart so I know it was the VG)
Nasal congestion/infection, sneezing, thick/sticky mucous, Chest/lung pain when trying to breath in too deep in certain areas (pleurisy?). The one that concerned me the most was involuntary movements of my muscles/limbs. This makes me believe there is some sort of neuro-toxicity associated with VG. I would just be sitting watching TV or relaxing in bed and my arm/leg/hand/shoulder would just jerk. These symptoms subsided within a week of stopping VG both times.
i find a 50/50 blend to be best.
I personally have experienced very few if any side effects from PG or VG. But, in my research Ive seen that some folks are sensitive to one or the other and there really is no rhyme or reason as to why.
However, PG sensitivity does seem more prevalent in the population (not just vapers) than VG sensitivity. This seems to be akin to any type of allergy however; some people have it, and some people don't.
There is definitely a different experience between 100% PG, 50/50 and 100% VG from a taste/feel perspective. But, if health is the main goal I have seen nothing to suggest that one is more or less harmful than the other, unless of course you happen to carry a sensitivity to one or the other (which would be on a case by case basis).
I personally have experienced very few if any side effects from PG or VG. But, in my research Ive seen that some folks are sensitive to one or the other and there really is no rhyme or reason as to why.
However, PG sensitivity does seem more prevalent in the population (not just vapers) than VG sensitivity. This seems to be akin to any type of allergy however; some people have it, and some people don't.
There is definitely a different experience between 100% PG, 50/50 and 100% VG from a taste/feel perspective. But, if health is the main goal I have seen nothing to suggest that one is more or less harmful than the other, unless of course you happen to carry a sensitivity to one or the other (which would be on a case by case basis).
Just searching the forums and found this thread. Vaping 5 months now using PG or mostly PG. I got some VG & higher VG blended juices and am experiencing unpleasant symptoms. They are; Acid reflux (which had pretty much completely gone away after I quit analogs), dry, scratchy, itchy throat, and a persistent cough. I have NONE of these symptoms using 80% and up PG.
I'm going to test vaping each without any nic or flavor to see if the base is the culprit. The nagging cough is really a PITA. I have enjoyed not coughing every few minutes.
I'm going to test vaping each without any nic or flavor to see if the base is the culprit. The nagging cough is really a PITA. I have enjoyed not coughing every few minutes.
pg makes me itch, i vape 70-100% VG all the time. lots of great vg juice out there
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