Any flavour close to a Silk Cut as am smoking more again..!

[Starlight]

OK, I know that must sound like a pretty daft question given that Silk Cut, particularly the Silver ones which were/are my brand, usually taste of nothing to most smokers

But, despite vaping since January, I'm still having trouble quitting those last few Silk Cut Silver ciggies, especially in the mornings and after eating. I don't like the tobacco flavours as they're... well... too tobacco-like compared to Silk Cut.

Despite the supposedly low 0.1 mg nic of Silk Cut Silver, I nevertheless seem to need the occasional 16/18 mg whilst alternating between 11 and 0 mg. And I've always been super careful not to cover the holes on the Silk Cut and I've never inhaled into my lungs, so I've never fully understood why I seem to need a higher liquid nic level. Maybe it's because I used to go through about 50 a day on average, more if stressed 8-o. But that might be related to this:
E-cig News: Dr. Laugesen's report on the Ruyan e-cigarette as shown to the Society for Research on Nicotine & Tobacco conference in Dublin April, 2009 and this:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...5034-nicotine-absorbtion-vaping-research.html which is another topic in itself.

I'm now wondering if, despite my preference for the non-tobacco flavours, maybe a super mild bland tobacco flavour might help do the "trick" for the mornings and after food, as somehow those that are sweet or fruity don't do it for me. But, is there anything remotely like Silk Cut? I've tried flavourless on its own - I've even managed a few puffs of 24 mg without noticing much from it except it helps a bit more than the others - and that's quite close but a touch too flavourless.

Now.... the bad bit... I need some help as I've recently most oddly started to increase my use of analogues again and throughout the day, by as much as 20 at times although still nowhere near 50 thankfully, when I was previously decreasing so well and had got down to about 5 a day!

I don't want to do 36 mg or constantly as high as 18 mg or higher for fear of it being too high - unless it's not, as might be the case according to the reports in the links above. Am I an odd-ball on a lost cause here, or is there a faint hope of a flavour close to Silk Cut (or some other flavour) that might help for those moments when I'm now automatically lighting an analogue?

The rest of the time, I love my large collection of flavours and could do with even more choice than we have here in the UK . I don't know why, but I feel it's something to do with the flavour rather than the "missing" ingredients of analogues as I seemed to have no trouble at all in cutting down from 50 to 5 within a month at first.

By the way, will-power just won't do it for me I'm afraid!

(Sorry for the long post!)

 

[MrLongbeard]

And I've always been super careful not to cover the holes on the Silk Cut and I've never inhaled into my lungs

Then you're not smoking are you, just a bit of a puffer (oh, that could be read wrong )

Now.... the bad bit... I need some help as I've recently most oddly started to increase my use of analogues again and throughout the day

Bad habits are the worst to break dude (or dudette) and I would say that's all it is.

I always have a proper smoke fir my first of the day as this e cig makes me gag and I always have 2 proper smokes before calling it a day, the e-cig just does not satisfy even though it's a shed load more nicotine

As a result I always have a pack of smokes lying around, I was happy to only smoke 3 a day from a 40 a day habit, but if I don't force myself to vape I always wander back to real smokes, and could get back upto 20 a day on a bad day

I reckon it's time to bite the bullet, stop buying smokes, sorry.

By the way, will-power just won't do it for me I'm afraid!

Ahhh crap, missed that bit 8-o

 

[Logan4_uk]

Starlight, im sure i read a thread on a review for TW hilton being quite mild and alot like silkcut,,i know what your going to say,,,,maybe another supplier stocks the same liqued under a different name ??

Hope this helps.

- John

 

[Starlight]

Mr Longbeard - I'm quite happy to stay on 3-5 ciggies a day as it's at least it's a huge leap from 50+! I guess at the moment I'm more concerned about having increased my ciggie consumption. Like the old saying goes, "one's too many and 10's not enough...", except that in my case I'm worried that 6 is too many and 20 won't be enough and that I'll climb back up to 50 in no time and I do NOT want that. Maybe I should indeed force myself to vape apart from the 5 ciggies - odd that before I had no trouble doing it without even thinking, so I know that I can do it. I guess I just have to put my mind to it. Although I would eventually like to quit the fags entirely.

John - Thanks for the tip . I would try the TW one, but I guess I'd rather hope for a 10 ml rather than 30 ml bottle which I'd risk wasting if I didn't like it. But not many sell 10 ml bottles, so I'll wait a little while and see if there any other ideas and then maybe try it.

Oh, and I'm a dudette

 

[prof beard]

I was a Silk Cut (but Purple or Blue) smoker (20 to 30 a day). Mind you, I inhaled big-time!

I use tobacco flavours exclusively:

TW: Hilton, Virginia, State Express, Tobacco
e-cigs.co.uk: British Bulldog
ecisdirect.com: B&H, Virginia, Camel
intellicig: Rich Tobacco

If I'm honest I use 11mg, 14mg, 18mg, and even 24mg fairly indiscriminately - I don't really notice the difference.

I'd say the B&H and Virginia might be the best bet - ecisdirect do 10ml bottles for £4.99

 

[Caesarea]

Hi Starlight,
Only idea I can offer as an ex 40+ a day silk cut blue smoker is to have a mini-cig handy with a jolt of 18 or 36 - I use that at the "I gotta wake up" moments, after breakfast, after work, or if I have a work day with very little break time. Three or four drags is enough. And not every day necessarily. Just when the need arises. The rest of the time I'll vape Low or Zero pretty well constantly if free to, but if vaping opportunities are very few indeed on a particular day between 7 am and midnight I'll make sure I have a penstyle with 18 cart handy, because I won't have time for leisurely Low or Zero vaping.

On holiday I don't need any more than Low/Zero.

Dunno if that helps - for me boredom is the enemy - flexibility is the friend - for strengths anyway. I'm not a constant flavour changer. But I just couldn't puff on a Silk Cut after the first day of vaping - the whole body revolted against it. So it is a different ball game in a way - I can't go back, but there is no question of any willpower at any stage. I hate willpower. My intention is to get my nicotine and be comfortable.

Blimey it all sounds like idle blah - but maybe there's a notion in there for you Starlight. Hope so.

Best,

C.

PS Smokester has a zero sample kit left at about £20. A way of trying the flavours.

 

[Starlight]

You're all stars (that I'm smilin' at ), thank you so much for your support and help!

Rather like Prof Beard, I too can vape 0, 6, 11, 16 or 18 and not notice the difference. Can't say I even particularly notice the difference with 24, which is partly why I wondered if a certain flavour might help.

When I first tried the e-cig, I went overnight from 40 or 50+ to 20 with no problem at all. A week or two later, I then tried an 18 mg by mistake, having meant to cut it 50/50, and found that I then immediately dropped to 5 or 6 a day with my "pattern" then becoming about 2 to 3 analogues in the morning, none all day, one after dinner (I don't eat lunch), and one or two last thing, with vaping all day in-between. Stayed like that for weeks, so not sure what made me fall off the wagon to some degree after all this time...

I've got some 36 mg unflavoured, I suppose I could dare try a couple of puffs of that and see if it helps, as Caesarea suggested. 18 mg certainly doesn't do it for me. I still find it strange though, being as I was a SC Silver smoker! Still, we all know there's not yet any proven rhyme or reason to the nic levels in e-cigs (some people OD on 11 and some feel nothing with 36) although, according to the latest research, it would now seem that inhaling into the mouth and holding it there is what helps absorb the nic, rather than lung inhaling. Yet, I'm not that absolutely convinced it's nic that I'm in need of, or else how did I manage with only 0 and 11 mg before? If it were the CO2 or other analogue ingredient, I imagine I'd have been craving all day in the first months when I wasn't. Who knows.

Or, I could try a flavoured 36 mg and then cut it a bit if the (tobacco) flavour's too strong.

British Bulldog's out of stock - as is most JC, which is a pain as I love the Peach Cobbler and a couple of others. I am a constant flavour changer though and have a whole selection and am always looking for new flavours to try - I love that side of vaping!

B&H might be the closest if it's anything like B&H as I used to smoke those decades ago before SC and, IIRC, it's a bit like a stronger version of SC. It may even be that a 36 mg non-tobacco would do it as I don't actually like the tobacco flavours - hated them in the carts for starters. Maybe I'll try that small 10 ml ecis bottle - the highest they have is 18 mg, so I could cut it with some 36 mg unflavoured to reduce the flavour a bit and strenghten the nic.

With Smokester's sample pack, the tobacco flavours aren't (I think) what I'd be looking for. I hate menthol or mint flavours (except in sweets, LOL) and I tried the Riskee and Pina Colada already and hated them too I'm afraid! Whatever's left, I've either already got or isn't my cup of tea... sorry!

Well, thanks again for your suggestions and help, much appreciated!

 

[Caesarea]

Don't forget to let us know how it goes - it's an interesting puzzle and well worth solving.

I'm still trying to understand the way these patterns of choice happen.

Best,

C.

 

[Starlight]

Don't forget to let us know how it goes

I will! I'm also going to be very busy this next fortnight, so may not be able to post as much as I'd like although I will try to read any topics of interest to me.

The puzzle is certainly most interesting but who knows if and when it will ever get solved, in general I mean, not just for me. Does seem to me in some way related to how one inhales, which seems backed up by the recent research. I think that may well be the case with me as I don't inhale into the lungs and often don't even go as far as my throat (so throat hit isn't that important to me), I don't hold the vapour (or smoke) in my mouth, and nic levels up to 18 don't seem to make that much difference to me (so far, don't yet know about 24 or 36). Truly mysterious! Yet it my usage of analogues dropped so much in one day when I started vaping. Even now, it's still at least half what it was even if it did increase recently, although that may be due to vaping in-between analogues. All I've done really, is to revert to square one when it comes to vaping, rather than revert to smoking analogues only. Looking at it that way helps me somewhat, as it's a bit like saying my glass is half full rather than half empty.

For now, I've looked at reviews of tobacco flavours and have decided against them... all of them seem to have some hint of pipe or cigar or similar and I really don't like those flavours, especially as Silk Cut Silver has none of them.

So, I'm going to try the 24 and 36, one or two puffs only at a time, with some of my favourite flavours instead. Or unflavoured with maybe a drop or two of other flavours in them instead to make a bit less bland. Worries me a touch, as I really don't want to get addicted to any high level of nic, so will have to carefully watch it.

As it happens, I'm going to be in a situation these next couple of weeks where I can't smoke analogues that much, so it may help force me back into vaping more anyway. Good job too!

One thing I've noticed about the forum. There are 11,000+ members (were only just over 2000 when I joined!), of which about 5000 are active. Makes one wonder what happened to the other 6000. Did they give up on vaping and return to analogues? Did they stick with vaping but found no more use for the forum? One rarely seems to hear from people saying they've quit vaping and gone back to analogues or even about people like me who've temporarily (hopefully!) fallen off the bandwagon - are they perhaps too embarrassed to admit it? We hear of all the successes but not so much of the failures - and there must be some - which would give a slightly different slant on things, wouldn't it?

 

[Caesarea]

Yes where are they now?
However I think there's also forum/virtuality fatigue - real life is also pretty interesting and demanding!!
And maybe when people have no burning questions, they are just out there enjoying life to the max possible.
I don't have that many questions any more. Still a few things I'm curious about, like the diurnal rhythms of need for differing vapour strengths, but the majority of the questions I had are largely satisfied for now, though I'm still reading most of the day's new posts.
Must be daft!



Best,

C.

 

[Starlight]

I think there are those for whom it's very much as you say, C. I just didn't put it so well when I said: "Did they stick with vaping but found no more use for the forum?"

To be honest, apart from this topic, I too don't have many questions, but somehow seem addicted to keep on reading the forum! LOL! Maybe as there's always something new, whether it be news, techniques, e-cigs or any other info.

In that case, that's at least you and me who must be daft!