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The average smoker will not Vape
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I smoked for about 7 years before I started using e-cigs. While I smoked, I dreamed of having some sort of device that could imitate all the characteristics of smoking without all of the negative side effects. Then 1 day in the mall, I saw a guy using an e-cig! It was amazing. But I was highly skeptical. As with everything I buy, I did tons and tons and TONS of research. I finally settled on an ego as my first. But I just was not satisfied for long. I eventually relapsed back into smoking, as it was much more satisfying. Long story short went from ego to SB/tank to Reo Grand. As I got more comfortable with vaping, I didn't mind having ecigs that no longer resembled analogs. After finally settling on devices, I noticed my biggest problem with vaping was, as pointed out earlier....the liquid. Then I did research on liquid providers. Again, I became really into vaping and thought I had found peace.
However, as my taste buds change and desire for better liquid, I admit, it has been a struggle. Even a year after vaping, I still smoke 1-3 analogs/week. I hate it, but the craving is still there. I just can't seem to become satisfied with the vaping entirely. I have tried getting smokers at my company to vape. They were excited and did it for a few weeks/months. Then RIGHT back to the analogs they went. It was expensive to smoke again, but it was much more satisfying and EASY. Plus, when we are out with others, it seems out of place for them to vape when everyone else is smoking. There is a social aspect to it as well. Even after a year, I am still sometimes embarrassed to vape in public. Not to mention, it just didn't *feel* like smoking. The devices were just too different than analogs for them. I think this is another issue that arises when people attempt to vape.
What I have come to find is- It takes a LOT of research, a LOT of will power, and DEDICATION to successfully enjoy and appreciating vaping. It can be painful, annoying, frustrating, sometimes with feelings of lost hope. Feeling that you are worried you just won't be able to stick with it. Not to mention all of the legislative action against us vapers. So many choices of devices and liquid. It is overwhelming. It is not easy; but we must first realize this, as smokers, and be prepared for the transition from smoking to vaping (or no nicotine devices at all!). I agree, the vast majority will not take up vaping full-time. It takes a whole lot less time/energy (relatively speaking) consuming to smoke rather than vape.
It can be fun to find the vaping path right for you and I always keep in mind the money I am saving and my health I am preserving. It keeps me motivated and I will continue to vape. I wish more people could do the same.
However, as my taste buds change and desire for better liquid, I admit, it has been a struggle. Even a year after vaping, I still smoke 1-3 analogs/week. I hate it, but the craving is still there. I just can't seem to become satisfied with the vaping entirely. I have tried getting smokers at my company to vape. They were excited and did it for a few weeks/months. Then RIGHT back to the analogs they went. It was expensive to smoke again, but it was much more satisfying and EASY. Plus, when we are out with others, it seems out of place for them to vape when everyone else is smoking. There is a social aspect to it as well. Even after a year, I am still sometimes embarrassed to vape in public. Not to mention, it just didn't *feel* like smoking. The devices were just too different than analogs for them. I think this is another issue that arises when people attempt to vape.
What I have come to find is- It takes a LOT of research, a LOT of will power, and DEDICATION to successfully enjoy and appreciating vaping. It can be painful, annoying, frustrating, sometimes with feelings of lost hope. Feeling that you are worried you just won't be able to stick with it. Not to mention all of the legislative action against us vapers. So many choices of devices and liquid. It is overwhelming. It is not easy; but we must first realize this, as smokers, and be prepared for the transition from smoking to vaping (or no nicotine devices at all!). I agree, the vast majority will not take up vaping full-time. It takes a whole lot less time/energy (relatively speaking) consuming to smoke rather than vape.
It can be fun to find the vaping path right for you and I always keep in mind the money I am saving and my health I am preserving. It keeps me motivated and I will continue to vape. I wish more people could do the same.
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ive never had a problem with my volcano products. i think as time goes on vaping will get more consumer friendly.
I am very opposite from you,I after I vaped for 3 days straight after finding the right liquid for me,both my atomizers died and I tried to smoke and it was just awful!!Then here a while back I bought a pack of smokey-mizers from totally wicked that blew both my tornado batteries and got kicked out of the forums because they didn't believe me,I about went nuts literally climbing the walls cause I had to smoke cigarettes!!Then about a month or two later those smokey-mizers cost totally wicked out the ... cause they were blowing everybody's batteries up that tickled the ..... out of me!!
This is an excellent thread. And your point is quite valid Frankster. Smoking cigarettes is easy. Too easy actually. It requires a pack of cigarettes and a lighter, which can be purchased on nearly any street corner. This is what smokers are accustomed to.
I'll take this argument a step further. After 30 years of smoking, I've been analog free for 8 months now. And my story reads very similar to the original post. Lots of expensive mistakes and frustration. That is all behind me now and I've settled into a smooth & easy vaping routine. Great.
But here's the new frustration. The company I work for has about 30,000 employees. I cross paths with new people everyday. Some are smokers and often they are curious when they see me vaping. They want to try it. Usually they've heard of these new "e-cigs". I let them try mine. The response is usually an ecstatic "Wow I want one of these, I need to quit smoking, this is great!" And finally, "Where can I get one???"
Well, are you prepared to start a new hobby? Are you willing to learn about volts, ohms, amps, watts, mah, PG, VG, etc?
Sure I want to help them. And I will help them. I want to help anyone quit smoking. But if I'm not there to hold their hand for the first few weeks, then they're in for the same frustrating journey that many of us had. Maybe not as bad with the help of a friend, but frustrating nonetheless.
All that aside, thank you ECF. You didn't hold my hand but you sure as heck made a big difference.
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Everytime I hear of someone mention that they still smoke analogs because they don't get the real feel of it, it makes me think of WTA (whole tobacco alkaloids). I don't want WTAs in my juice, but I think that many people would make the switch easier with them. Right now there are very few venders that have them, but it will probably be a growing trend. If I can get my wife to finally try personal vaporizer, and she is struggling with this, I will get some for her to try.
Again, I don't think that the industry has to be as complicated as it currently is. The brevity of options is beautiful and overwhelming, and probably the biggest hurdle. We need something super user friendly to dominate the market, like an iVaporizer, only better batteries than apple.
Again, I don't think that the industry has to be as complicated as it currently is. The brevity of options is beautiful and overwhelming, and probably the biggest hurdle. We need something super user friendly to dominate the market, like an iVaporizer, only better batteries than apple.
Holy moly... no wonder you're frustrated! It can be very frazzling initially trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. I vaped and quit cigs with a horrid little creature called a 'firelight' which cost me a bloody fortune and popped automatic batteries like 3 a month. What a nightmare! rofl I then got lucky and did a BUNCH of research and ended up on my Joye Ego, which I've used happily for about a year now. Just now starting to explore some higher voltage options to see what really works for me. I'm gonna give you the same advice I was given. I was resistant to it because I wanted something pretty and cool looking, but I listened to the experts and am so glad that I did. Get yourself a cheap Variable Voltage box mod. They have a great one at Madvapes for about $35, or you can do what I did and post a 'WTB' (want to buy) ad here in the classifieds for a cheap VV box mod, charger and batteries. That will enable you to find your 'sweet spot' and figure out exactly what voltage you like to vape at. PLUS you can vape on it from about 3.2v up to over 6, so you can use up some of those cartos and attys you have laying around that only work in a certain voltage range. Down the line, once you've established if you want a higher end VV mod in a style other than the box, or if you want a fixed voltage unit, you can check that out....but that's down the line. I will say, I'm no expert on mods, but i do know its MUCH more pricey and complex to vape at higher voltages, just because many juices and components don't work well and are difficult to keep functional at those super high voltages, and you do sort of have to have a solid understanding of atty/carto resistance and so forth or you will just fry those suckers left and right.
My suggestion is get yourself a cheapo VV BoxMod, so you can figure out what works for you, use up some of the cartos you've already purchased (because with the VV you'll be able to use each of them at the voltage they were intended for) and stop chasing what you're missing and just figure out exactly what appeals to you most. $35 for a mod like that is pretty outstanding, and maybe you'll be lucky like me and find someone who has one laying around who will sell you the mod, batts, and charger for about $30 total.
As for juices, I vaped a TON of crapola before someone referred me to Virgin Vapor. Her flavors are 100% organic, which makes them taste so much more authentic to the food they're trying to imitate, and no weird undertaste. Seriously, they rock. And it was simpler for me to figure out what flavors i'd like because the juices taste like the actual food, for once! lol So if I enjoy blueberry cheesecake, I knew I'd love VV Organic Blueberry Cheesecake. If you like the food, chances are good that you'll like the juice since the flavors are so 'dead on' realistic. And while at other vendors I might have to try 5 or 10 flavors to find one of them that I like, of the 14 Virgin Vapor flavors I've tried, I'd gladly buy 13 of them in a larger bottle. The 14th wasn't bad, just not my cup of tea. BUT they won't work well at super high voltages (say over 4.5 or so) since the organic flavors don't work well at high heats. If you're determined to vape at very high voltages, then I can recommend both FreedomSmokeUSA and Pure Smoker, as those were the best 'artificially' flavored liquids I'd found. I'm happy to suggest flavors for any of those if you like, feel free to pm me.
I can see just how much frustration you've gone thru, but again.. my suggestion is to simplify the whole thing, get cheap mod that will enable you to find just what you've been missing, and then you can work it out from there. BTW, you can sell all the ones you've discarded in the 'classifieds' here, under 'buying and selling' in the main forum. Some of those mods you've bought are awesome, but clearly not for you, so why not give someone else a chance to grab em at reasonable discount, and get you some of your $ back?
I wish you the best, and if there's anything else i can do, feel free to pm me. But seriously, this cheapo VV box mod is the perfect thing for me, and from the 15 or so people that suggested it for me, apparently its worked awfully well helping a ton of people find their vaping 'sweet spot'. Best of luck to you!
rachel
My suggestion is get yourself a cheapo VV BoxMod, so you can figure out what works for you, use up some of the cartos you've already purchased (because with the VV you'll be able to use each of them at the voltage they were intended for) and stop chasing what you're missing and just figure out exactly what appeals to you most. $35 for a mod like that is pretty outstanding, and maybe you'll be lucky like me and find someone who has one laying around who will sell you the mod, batts, and charger for about $30 total.
As for juices, I vaped a TON of crapola before someone referred me to Virgin Vapor. Her flavors are 100% organic, which makes them taste so much more authentic to the food they're trying to imitate, and no weird undertaste. Seriously, they rock. And it was simpler for me to figure out what flavors i'd like because the juices taste like the actual food, for once! lol So if I enjoy blueberry cheesecake, I knew I'd love VV Organic Blueberry Cheesecake. If you like the food, chances are good that you'll like the juice since the flavors are so 'dead on' realistic. And while at other vendors I might have to try 5 or 10 flavors to find one of them that I like, of the 14 Virgin Vapor flavors I've tried, I'd gladly buy 13 of them in a larger bottle. The 14th wasn't bad, just not my cup of tea. BUT they won't work well at super high voltages (say over 4.5 or so) since the organic flavors don't work well at high heats. If you're determined to vape at very high voltages, then I can recommend both FreedomSmokeUSA and Pure Smoker, as those were the best 'artificially' flavored liquids I'd found. I'm happy to suggest flavors for any of those if you like, feel free to pm me.
I can see just how much frustration you've gone thru, but again.. my suggestion is to simplify the whole thing, get cheap mod that will enable you to find just what you've been missing, and then you can work it out from there. BTW, you can sell all the ones you've discarded in the 'classifieds' here, under 'buying and selling' in the main forum. Some of those mods you've bought are awesome, but clearly not for you, so why not give someone else a chance to grab em at reasonable discount, and get you some of your $ back?
I wish you the best, and if there's anything else i can do, feel free to pm me. But seriously, this cheapo VV box mod is the perfect thing for me, and from the 15 or so people that suggested it for me, apparently its worked awfully well helping a ton of people find their vaping 'sweet spot'. Best of luck to you!
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Speaking of coffee, I'd buy this E-LIQUID by the 1/4 drum if Don would package it that way.
http://www.backwoodsbrew.net/index....category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=19
I've been considering a passthrough for a while, but have heard reports of some being weak and not as good as batteries. Anyone got a link to good 510 passthroughts in the UK which will take dual coils?
I too tried the usual impulse buy. After some success with the blu, I gave it up because of the price of the cartos that just didn't last as long as they claimed. I found this site one day at work and finally did some research. My wife and i both have Riva's and we love them. Looking into a passthrough to insure always having power. Liberty-Flights has some passthroughs that i know of and they are UK and USA based.
Hi, thanks for that. I had a quick look on the LF site (where I think I've looked before for a passthrough - I've bought most of my stuff from them in the past, and trust them, well, trusted them until recently, but that's another story), and they only have them for the 901 and the EGO. Never had an ego, but am I right in thinking that the EGO is the same thread as a 510, and as such will work with 510 cartos?
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I had a similar experience with juices tasting terribly when I first started vaping in September 2009. I think this had a lot to do with the learning curve of using an electronic cig correctly and properly priming the atomizer prior to vaping. Secondly, I wanted a flavor that tasted like a cigarette, and no tobacco flavors tasted right. Even Johnson Creek, which had the closest to a real tobacco flavor than others I have tried, tasted more like some sort of fancy pipe tobacco than a real cigarette. I found myself vaping for a good portion of the day but smoking at least a few real cigarettes in the interim. I think that after a while, I started getting enjoyment from other flavors that don't taste like tobacco, like grape and apple, and i lost my desire to taste burning tobacco. And I stopped cigarettes entirely. I vape mostly fruit or cake flavored liquids. Something that has the hit to your throat like a cigarette but the flavor of something else entirely, which I find to be a strong point of electronic cigarettes. I use a tank and cart now, and i don't care if people look at me strange or if a cop is stopped right next to me at the red light. And I live in the bible belt. You are correct... Electronic cigarettes have a learning curve, and for the average smoker, it's not easy to make the switch on your own, but once you do and you get over the craving for the taste of a real cigarette, the enjoyment of vaping begins. After over two years, you couldn't pay me to smoke a cigarette.
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I am so sorry that this is the case for you. I hope you find one that works for you soon.BTW I would 2nd Virgin Vapor. They are fantastic. I have tried one from Juicy vapors that was spot on too no funky aftertaste.
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I know, my taste buds have to be completely opposite of everyone in the vaping community...I should run a thread on what people consider their favorite wine and this way I will have a better idea of my taste buds.
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