Science abuse: Forbes - What Paul Krugman Could Learn From How Big Government Created The Obesity Epidemic

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Fear those looking out for the public good...

What Paul Krugman Could Learn From How Big Government Created The Obesity Epidemic - Forbes

Teicholz reports in The Big Fat Surprise itself:

“The source of our misguided dietary advice was in some ways more disturbing, since it seems to have been driven by experts at some of our most trusted institutions working toward what they believed to be the public good.
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The (dietary fat) hypothesis became accepted as truth before it was properly tested. Public health bureaucracies adopted and enshrined this unproven dogma. The hypothesis became immortalized in the mammoth institutions of public health. And the normally self-correcting mechanism of science, which involves constantly challenging one’s own beliefs, was disabled. While good science should be ruled by skepticism and self-doubt, the field of nutrition has instead been shaped by passions verging on zealotry. And the whole system by which ideas are canonized as fact seems to have failed us.
Once ideas about fat and cholesterol became adopted by official institutions, even prominent experts in the field found it nearly impossible to challenge them. One of the twentieth century’s most revered nutrition scientists, the organic chemist David Kritchevsky, discovered his thirty years ago when, on a panel for the National Academy of Sciences, he suggested loosening the restrictions on dietary fat.
“We were jumped on!” he told me. “People would spit on us! It’s hard to imagine now, the heat of the passion. It was just like we had desecrated the American flag.”


Zealotry. Passions. Dogma. Not “science.”
 

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Heh... I do not see colors, or stripes or polka dots for that matter. I see politicians/bureaucrats.

I cannot recall who said it, yet it stays with me to this day (at least in its essence):

The main function of a bureaucrat, is to enshrine the rules and regulations in such a fashion that only they, and there ilk, understand them. Thereby, ensuring that their positions and themselves, are by default essential... though all to often, in fact, parasitic and useless.

I may have added a bit of color and vitriol... :D
 

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“Bureaucracy is the death of all sound work”
-Albert Einstein

""Hell Hath no Fury like a Bureaucrat Scorned."
-Milton Friedman

"As soon as government management begins it upsets the natural equilibrium of industrial relations, and each interference only requires further bureaucratic control until the end is the tyranny of the totalitarian state."
-Adam Smith


"[Socialism] ...would mean a tremendous increase in the importance of professional bureaucrats".
"It is horrible to think that the world could one day be filled with nothing but those little cogs, little men clinging to little jobs and striving toward bigger ones--a state of affairs which is to be seen once more, as in the Egyptian records, playing an ever increasing part in the spirit of our present administrative systems, and especially of its offspring, the students. This passion for bureaucracy ...is enough to drive one to despair. It is as if in politics. . . we were to deliberately to become men who need "order" and nothing but order, become nervous and cowardly if for one moment this order wavers, and helpless if they are torn away from their total incorporation in it. That the world should know no men but these: it is in such an evolution that we are already caught up, and the great question is, therefore, not how we can promote and hasten it, but what can we oppose to this machinery in order to keep a portion of mankind free from this parceling-out of the soul, from this supreme mastery of the bureaucratic way of life."

-Max Weber on Bureaucracy
 

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Yep. Working hard and being productive can kill you. Just ask any bureaucrat.
Recent 'science' would indicate that I should have died a horrible, painful, and completely avoidable death about 45 years ago. That I'm still around is what really pi**es them off.

My grandfather's 'regulations' on baling hay: Keep your shirt buttoned and tucked in, and pay attention. This machine doesn't know you're not hay.
 

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I caught this on NPR today: As Climate Wars Heat Up, Some Skeptics Are Targets : NPR


The goal, according to those pursuing the skeptics of climate change, is to expose ties between those scientists and industry. But some mainstream climate scientists are nervous, fearing that investigations by both sides may be more about intimidation than truth.

Other recipients of the letter agree that it constitutes little more than harassment. "They just assume that if I have the view I have, I must be getting paid for that view," says John Christy of the University of Alabama at Huntsville. Christy adds that all of his funding is from state and federal sources.

It's worth noting both sides of the aisle are playing the game. I'm all for scientists disclosing their funding, but the cynic in me doesn't trust state and federal sources either!
 

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'That definition covers all weather phenomena throughout all 4.54 billion years of Earth's existence.'

Which is based on out current understanding and perception of time.

Who is to say that the earth did not once rotate faster on its axis or revolve around the sun slower or any other combination...
Our recorded history is minisc...

OK, Am going to stop before I really hi-jack my own thread...

Edit:
and do not get me started on how little we know of volcanos!
 
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