Recommendation for Glycerin, USP

[chellie]

I have been getting a reaction I think from PG and want to slowly try some DIY and I want to buy Glycerin, USP - I read that is the best pharmaceutical grade and I cannot find it.

I am on the West Coast. CVS, Kroger, Wally World - - none have it. CVS used to and now it does not have the USP. Looked at RTS vapes and it says Vegetable Glycerin USP Kosher - that is not the way that the proper labeling is supposed to be for Pharma grade Glycerin.

Any recommendation and links where I can buy - I want a gallon and I want it labeled Glycerin,USP.

Thanks.

 

[Capt.shay]

I have been getting a reaction I think from PG and want to slowly try some DIY and I want to buy Glycerin, USP - I read that is the best pharmaceutical grade and I cannot find it.

I am on the West Coast. CVS, Kroger, Wally World - - none have it. CVS used to and now it does not have the USP. Looked at RTS vapes and it says Vegetable Glycerin USP Kosher - that is not the way that the proper labeling is supposed to be for Pharma grade Glycerin.

Any recommendation and links where I can buy - I want a gallon and I want it labeled Glycerin,USP.

Thanks.

Don't know how you think it is suppose to be labeled? You want USP. The stuff from RTS is fine. I personally buy mine from Essential Depot.

 

[Tinker Ray]

You should also look a Nude Nicotine. Their VG meets or exceeds all USP specs, and is kosher as well.

 

[KentA]

I don't understand why you feel that Vegetable Glycerin meeting USP requirements cannot also meet kosher standards.
Whatever-- Amazon also has a lot of choices.

 

[Jdurand]

I second Essential Depot, they have a sale going on Amazon right now, 2 gallons for 34 dollars. That should last me a few days.

 

[mhertz]

To the OP: Heh, I hear you, mate! That sticky gets all sorts of misunderstandings going on...

You just need to get something labelled USP, EP or Ph.Eur(or BP, JP), period and no matter where it's located on the label...

I believe it's a guidance from FDA and comparable in other countries, to avoid medication errors on non-pharmaceuticals, allthough it's probably mandatory on real pharmaceuticals...

We call pharma-grade, because it meets or exceeds pharma-monographs of purity and quality, but it's not a pharmaceutical, as its not gotten a medical license that prooves it functioning positivelly in some medical aspect and sold as a real medicinal product at the drug store, but instead is sold as a healtcare product etc...

So in short, use whatever USP or EP labelled product you like!

 

[chellie]

I finally found a small bottle and I have been using it to cut down my stuff and it's fine. I cut some 12% nic juices in half and did not even lose much flavor.

I have no issue with anything Kosher HOWEVER Kosher USP is not recognized by the U.S. Pharmacopeial Convention. It has to be labeled as Glycerine, USP - not pure Glycerine, Kosher Glycerine not Food Grade Glycerine, not Vegetable Glycerine it has to say Glycerine, USP.

Other products may be great but for me I want it labeled as it is in the USP and that is all I am going to vape.

 

[chellie]

I don't understand why you feel that Vegetable Glycerin meeting USP requirements cannot also meet kosher standards.
Whatever-- Amazon also has a lot of choices.

I have a lot more to read and learn however Kosher Glycerine is not an official USP designation - I am cool with Kosher though.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

Don't know how you think it is suppose to be labeled? You want USP. The stuff from RTS is fine. I personally buy mine from Essential Depot.

I agree. I buy mine from Essential Depot by cases of 4. $39 for 4 gallons is a great deal. I just got 8 gallons in.

I make a lot of juice.

I get my nicotine in 100mg by the gallons from Heartland Vapes.

 

[mhertz]

Look... There's no USP format for naming glycerin for a non-pharmaceutical! What that stickie hints too, is a guidance document by the FDA and others, which recommends that the naming be like that, but for other products and such, then it's not mandatory/law!
And you're right, neither kosher or food grade has anything to do with the USP monographs...

Edit: If i'm wrong, then I apologize in advance! I believe it's defined in the federal food drug and cosmetics act, but still shouldn't be mandatory for healthfood products etc. I'm a little confused now after rereading about it, so again, sorry if i'm missing something here!

 

[sparkky1]

I have a lot more to read and learn however Kosher Glycerine is not an official USP designation - I am cool with Kosher though.

Purity: 99.7%
Kosher Certified, for human consumption is the norm ..................
http://www.pgchemicals.com/products/glycerin/glycerin-americas/

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

I finally found a small bottle and I have been using it to cut down my stuff and it's fine. I cut some 12% nic juices in half and did not even lose much flavor.

I have no issue with anything Kosher HOWEVER Kosher USP is not recognized by the U.S. Pharmacopeial Convention. It has to be labeled as Glycerine, USP - not pure Glycerine, Kosher Glycerine not Food Grade Glycerine, not Vegetable Glycerine it has to say Glycerine, USP.

Other products may be great but for me I want it labeled as it is in the USP and that is all I am going to vape.

It's actually all the same. Just repackaged and labelled differently. Read this: PG/VG labeling and purity: Please read!

 

[mhertz]

It's not all the same... I mean it's all the same regarding beeing pure glycerol with varying degrees of water between 0.5 to 0.1 percent(i'm talking about vg here specifically), but some vg is made from USA which has a single plant making soy based VG, but others can use e.g. musim mas or other palm based indonisian VG or malaysian VG etc. I myself use locally(denmark) made vg from several veg.oils...

Btw, it dosen't matter one bit what veg. source was used to make the vg, since usp vg dosen't have any traces left of the original feedstock...

 

[Hoosier]

Thankfully I've witnessed the confusion between required labeling and marketing additions to be amused. Please continue...

 

[AzPlumber]

If USP grade Glycerine is re-bottled by the vendor it cannot be labeled USP unless it was re-bottled at a USP certified facility.

 

[Capt.shay]

Vegetable Glycerin USP Kosher

One more time.

What this labeling designates is that it meets BOTH USP AND Kosher standards.

It is USP certified.
It has met the standards of five old Jewish guys.

It is a very common way of vendors to label Glycerin.

 

[mhertz]

If a product lives up to any spec. e.g. USP, the they can label that anywhere they please on the label. Additionally, then USP has a verification program, where they can get a special USP certified label on them, which practically no one i've ever seen has.

Pharmaceuticals don't have them on, as they are mandated by law to follow said standard allready!

Second, USP dosen't enforce it's own standards, but only sets them up. However, it's mandated by law that a pharmaceutical needs to a) be USP compliant and b) have a medical license so it can be legally sold as a pharmaceutical. If a pharmaceutical dosen't live up to the USP standard, then the medical license is rewoked...

We as DIY'ers don't use pharmaceuticals, but use pharma-grade materials, meaning that they live up to the same strict standards which also the actual pharmaceuticals does...

An example of an actua pharmaceutical pg I believe is puraguard pg, which has licenses for medical appliances in addition to the usp complience. I believe it's one of the very few pg's that's an actual pharmaceutical. Btw, liquid barn sells that as there pg i've seen from it's coa. Also, I don't know for sure, but i'm guessing dow optim also is a pharmaceutical vg with medical licenses, but just a guess.

Again, im talking about actual pharmaceuticals, which is identified by a medical/pharmaceutical license which lets it be lawfully used as components in medicines or possibly stand-alone, in addition to of course living up to the usp, and this is different from simply pharma-grade stuff!

Edit: Pharma-grade, should probably rather be called USP grade in the above, to avoid confusion...

 

[Hoosier]

Heh, I'm going to have to tell my friend who is a compounding pharmacist about this thread. He'll enjoy it.

 

[mhertz]

Hoosier, if reading between the lines of your post, then please educate me and others about this subject, specifically the 'Glycerin, USP' (non)labelling reuirement for non pharmaceuticals/excepients...Please...

 

[r77r7r]

And/or have your Pharm friend give us some feedback??


@Hoosier, GET YER .... BACK HERE! ( how's that, MHertz? ) Hoos be teasing us- not nice