Well, I don't know you yet bmwjen, but I'm glad you're not dead yet too. I never tried zyban or chantix because I tend to have side effects in any "new" drugs. I can do pencillian, but "fancy "antibiotics do me in. I had awful nightmares on the patch though, that made me feel nuts enough! Thank god for PV's! I'm glad this thread was here though, sometime I think I'm paranoid about pharma and the government- at least you guys reassured me I'm not alone in those thoughts.