Travel and Vaping Nearly got arrested in raleigh durham aiport because of a chuck

[Rocketman]

Oh, I thought the reference to NAZI regime refers to Obama.
Didn't he start the FDA attack on e-cigs, ban flying while vaping>

(oh darn, now I sound like an O-fanboy, not)

The only thing I see in our favor is a 'do nothing Congress'. I hope they keep up the good work.

 

[yvilla]

Didn't he start the FDA attack on e-cigs, >

No, he did not.

The first FDA actions against e-cigs began in late 2008, well before he took office. There were FDA letters sent to early e-cig suppliers in late 2008, taking the position that e-cigs were unapproved "drug" products and illegal to import and sell in the US, that were posted right here on ECF. Further, the current FDA Commmissioner he appointed, Margaret Hamburg, did not take office until mid-2009, but the FDA attacks on e-cigs began with her predecessor. Yes, Obama signed the FSPTCA after its passage in June 2009, but this legislation giving the FDA jurisdcition over tobacco products had been in the works for years before it was finally passed.

 

[Lethalp]

I am so sorry to hear about your ordeal. I have never traveled with my ecig as I have severe travel anxiety as it is. I despise the airport, even on a good day.

But congrats and kudos to u for making the report , standing your ground and getting the attention of the higher ups. I imagine these types of things happen more than we here about, that too is very scary

 

[Samyaza]

It's not only US domestic travelers that it affects either. I got my first e-cig in around August last year. The same one I have now, just a standard 510.

Your story reminded me of what happened when I was travelling from the UK back to CAN. I had checked in my luggage and was going through security, I had 2 5ml bottles of juice in a clear bag with my perfume (around 30ml) and my hand cream (also a small tube).

They stopped me and asked what the liquid was, I explained and I showed them my e-cig. They then decided that because my perfume was in a bigger bottle (around 65ml I think) that I had to throw all my liquids out or check them in. Apparently although the signs all say "a bottle no larger than 100ml" what the signs meant suddenly is that "all the bottles must add up to 100ml".

We had around 40min left to get to our flight as I hate going in early, so we had no time to go back to check my backpack in. I also asked to see a supervisor and the supervisor was also on lunch (at 3pmish) and there was no way for me to do anything. I tried being reasonable and suggesting I throw out one of the liquids and the hand cream (my husband had more lol), but they insisted I throw out everything - including my bottle of perfume that my step dad had given to me before he passed away.

I was so angry and upset, it was very frustrating, made even more frustrating when I realised I had an umbrella with metal spokes in my backpack that is apparently less dangerous than things like nail clippers.

Sorry about the rant, your story brought it all back

 

[quovadis]

It seems you were in the crossfire as well !!
I think you are allowed 10ml bottles of liquids.
How was the flight back home?
Personally, i would have been climbing the over-head bins and cabin walls had I been depraved of vape for eight hours.

 

[Mr. SandMan]

@ Samyaza & quovadis

Both astonishing stories. Like many have said already, I think it was an ego trip for many of the people who who were against both of you. The Canadian story is even more so disturding, as you lost one of things a loved one gave you prior to his passing.

It is also the ignorance in both American/Canadian societies that creates stories like these. I highly doubt this is only happening in those countries, but all over the world as well. I hope that as time goes by, PV's will become more mainstream and perhaps get the positive recognition it deserves, allowing people to travel easier.

I have not traveled by air with an ecig yet, but I did take a greyhound bus from Toronto to Detroit, and people who checked my bags barely even noticed my 510 ecig(even though it was in a ziplock with about 8 10ml bottles of eliquid). Strange indeed, but I kind of assumed that air travel would be tighter security than greyhound busses.

I hope both of you have better experiences in the future.

 

[Samyaza]

It seems you were in the crossfire as well !!
I think you are allowed 10ml bottles of liquids.
How was the flight back home?
Personally, i would have been climbing the over-head bins and cabin walls had I been depraved of vape for eight hours.

I'm actually used to not smoking for the flight, I do it about twice a year (and previously it was worse as it was 12hrs from South Africa to the UK). I just try and sleep through it as much as possible lol.

@Mr. Sandman - thanks, next time though I am just not taking any fluids with me and will just use carts May as well be safe I think!

 

[erich]

It was do do with a frustrated TSA agent who was having a bad day

I can't imagine that there are too many good days at that job. Police have to spend most of their time hassling the citizenry enforcing frivolous traffic laws and such, but at least sometimes they get to stop a crime in the act and get a dose of heartfelt gratitude from a near victim-to-be. TSA agents do only the former, all day, every day. They never find anything, never prevent any tragedies, nor serve any useful purpose at all but to annoy millions of people every year and occasionally find some narcotics. The incidents on planes are no less frequent than they were in the 70's when everyone just got on the plane. And we keep having to tack on restrictions for the way the last guy got something through... the shoe bomber, and now we have to take our shoes off. The belt bomber, and now we remove our belts. And the laptop guy, and the shampoo guy... really surprised the underwear bomber didn't spur a change, but now we have x-ray machines, so perhaps that's the reason. Would-be attackers have the ability to harm large numbers of people... everywhere there are large numbers of people.

 

[Mr. SandMan]

And we keep having to tack on restrictions for the way the last guy got something through... the shoe bomber, and now we have to take our shoes off. The belt bomber, and now we remove our belts. And the laptop guy, and the shampoo guy... really surprised the underwear bomber didn't spur a change

I lol'd.

 

[BigLarry33]

I get harassed by cops allot, I got 23's & tv's in my car so when I get off wrk they pull me over & always take my glock which I'm allowed to have w/ my permit. They gave me a ticket for swerving a pot hole. Garbage! I get off wrk late & when u get harassed I always hit record on my iPhone voice recorder. I think the cop shoulda let u say ur piece but they too often gotta complex. They once swiped my iPod & I was told they didn't have it. But me being dumb let em search cuz I knew I was clean. I thought maybe they would see I wrk late & am up 2 no wrong as I pass the same 3 cops. Good news was I recorded it on my iPhone proving they searched my car & called the city police office & 2 my suprise they found an iPod in a cops locker & I was able 2 name the music on it. Now they harass me more but the moral is NEVER agree 2 a search even if ur clean cuz they will throw ur stuff around & if it's a laptop or somethin they aren't worried about cracking it, etc. if its a used car who knows what could be hiding under ur seats but thts what my lawyer said. As for TSA & flight security I gotta soft spot cuz my old job during school was at an airport & TSA agents get treated like garbage all day by frustrated patrons, plus I was at the airport during 911. ANYTHING they don't understand or know about needs to be checked. The lady may have been rude but the cop shoulda allowed u to explain & squared the situation. Plus ur airline shoulda allowed u to skip the fee. I feel ya though, it sucks but reality is ecig mods look weird to ppl. I blazed mine outside of a busy club sat night & the whole crowd had no idea what it was so vapors need to vape in public I think to educate the public.

 

[BigLarry33]

I lol'd.

I'm free ballin' so if they check my underway the Gardner snake may just bite. Hiss Hiss

 

[Filibuster]

I'm very impressed with how you handled that situation. Great job standing up for yourself, and your fellow vapers!

 

[MickeyRat]

I have to admit there's a knuckling under aspect to what I do. My only excuse is that I'm usually flying on business and I need to get where I'm going. I check my more exotic looking mods (Reo, Buzz pro, etc.) and supplies with my luggage. Then I carry a couple egos and a couple 6 ml bottles of juice on. Never had anyone bat an eye and I don't run the risk of having to give up one of my more expensive mods.

To be honest, if someone opened Freedom Airways with a, "We'll loan you a gun, if you want it policy.", I'd pay extra to fly them and I'd be safer to boot. I've never seen anyone be rude or make threatening moves at a gun range.

 

[erich]

I'm all for carry laws, but there is the not so small concern of pressurized cabins.

 

[MickeyRat]

I'm all for carry laws, but there is the not so small concern of pressurized cabins.

Actually, there is reason to believe that's mostly urban legend. AFAIK there haven't been any truly scientific studies. However, believe it or not, Mythbusters did take it on. They presurized a junk plane at ground level to simulate the differences in pressure and fired a gun. They did not get explosive decompression from a gunshot. Just a little hiss even after firing through a window. Of course being Mythbusters, they did up the ante until they did get explosive decompression.

Regardless, I think I'd prefer to take my chances with explosive decompression than terrorists bent on flying the plane into a building.

 

[erich]

I'll have to check that one out. Love the Mythbusters.

Well, yeah, if directly faced with the option, sure. Despite all the hysteria, though, there just aren't all that many terrorist incidents.

Bear in mind that I generally carry in the mall... I'm not anti gun at all, and in general I think it's a better deterrent to both petty and violent crime. I don't think it would be the shocker as would be portrayed in the news if someone were armed on a plane. It's almost a certainty that there is something else you don't want to hit in your line of fire on a plane, though, and plane highjackers are already expecting to die, so the deterrent factor doesn't exist.

 

[Fusselkater]

I had 2 5ml bottles of juice in a clear bag with my perfume (around 30ml) and my hand cream (also a small tube).

They stopped me and asked what the liquid was, I explained and I showed them my e-cig. They then decided that because my perfume was in a bigger bottle (around 65ml I think) that I had to throw all my liquids out or check them in. Apparently although the signs all say "a bottle no larger than 100ml" what the signs meant suddenly is that "all the bottles must add up to 100ml".

Very strange that they don't know their own rules.
Each bottle can't be bigger than 100ml. And as many bottles as you can fit in the quart sized zip-lock bag.
Bottles bigger than 100ml needs to be put in checked-in luggage.
Pretty easy.
TSA | Transportation Security Administration | 3-1-1 on Air Travel

 

[throatkick]

I frequent an airline message board daily. The TSA threads never end. Land of confusion.