ok then, ---- this behavior must extend beyond just vaping supplies and equipment, We as a consumerist nation must extend your thinking to everything we buy, By going to walmart or best buy and buying whatever you buy made in china no matter what you feel this trend will not stop.
OK, first off, I haven't shopped at WalMart for anything except cat litter, toilet paper and ammo in years. All those things are made here in the USA, and all of which are bought SPECIFICALLY at Wal-Mart to show them what I think of their business practices. For my consumer electronics, clothes and hardware I tend to buy from small locally-owned stores or medium-sized chains. My TV is a high-en Toshiba (made in Japan) that I bought through a high-end, locally-owned shop in NC. My stereo gear is all Carver and Martin Logan--made in the US and bought second hand or from reputable small audiophile stores, with a few Sony (made in Japan) components.
I have never bought a piece of consumer electronics at WalMart, nor will I ever.
by getting upset at such a small percentage of the actual monetary output from a relatively small segment of the population while still supporting the chinese factories with the other devices you own you are in fact just being hypocritical in your statement,
Not at all. I try to buy USA when I can. Some products are simply impossible to buy without parts sourced from China. And SOME products made in China (Like Vision Vivi's and REAL eGos) are actually pretty decent products. The issue I have is that the Chinese government tolerates--no, ACTIVELY SUPPORTS and facilitates a massive industry of counterfeiting, which hurts the consumer, the marketplace, and devalues brand stability.
to chastise one person for buying chinese junk then going and buying your own chinese junk you present a relatively weak argument to stop buying anything.
I did not chastise someone for buying Chinese products in general, which is what you are conflating my argument with. I was chastizing people for knowingly buying counterfeit products because they might save a few dollars on an itme that costs less than $15 to start with. This sort of knowing and complicit participation in the counterfeits industry only serves to harm legitimate manufacturers, causes confusion in the marketplace, and gives newbies the impression that just because a fake product sucks, that the legitimate ones must not be any good either.
until we as consumers as a whole can convince American companies to start producing their products here in america, no amount of getting upset in a forum will change anything, i feel many companies can learn a lot by going to a company like provari and taking notes about how it can be done right here at home. becuase they prove everyday that quality not price is the deciding factor.
Agreed. There ARE American and European companies that are jumping into the marketplace. But they are mostly focusing on high-end gear aimed at the "vape-o-phile" market--collectors, tinkerers and DIY people. Just like audio gear, the vast majority of consumers in the vape world aren't really concerned with optimum performance, high-end construction and engineering, or cutting-edge technology--they just want something that will work for a while, an is cheap enough that when it craps out, they can toss it an go buy another one.
and in the end my sarcastic comment still stands, you cannot chastise one when you continue to support the same activities in other areas of your life.
You have no idea what my life involves. You have no idea what sort of consumer products, clothing, food, or furniture I buy. You have no grounds to criticize my consumer habits.
I make a concerted effort to NOT buy Chinese-made stuff if I can avoid it. I go out of my way to get products that are made here in the US, or in nations that do not rely on slave labor and unethical business practices as a matter of course like China. We get most of our groceries from farmers markets, local farm co-ops and small, locally-owned organic groceries.
So you can keep on making assumptions about me, and looking like a fool, or you can back the "f" off, and understand that I am not comng down on someone who was duped or fools into buying something by mistake. I was aiming my vitriol at the Chinese government, unscrupulous Chinese businesses, and the cheap, politically ignorant consumers here in the US who think that saving $2 by knowingly purchasing a counterfeit Vivi Nova is somehow a good thing.
No. You are still a knee-jerk reactionary who appears to know little or nothing about global geopolitics, has no understanding of international economics, and hasn't the first clue about patent rights, consumer confidence issues, or international trade.
I'm not made at you. I pity you your ignorance, and hope that your self-righteous reactionary attitude doesn't infect new vapers. I hope that new vapers will instead, see the value in patronizing authorized vendors, buy legitimate products, and avoid counterfeit crap if they can by doing a little research and homework.
That is all...
