CASAA Director Thad Marney Speaks Before King County BOH

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CASAA Director Thad Marney attempted to convince the King County, WA Board of Health to vote against banning indoor use of e-cigarettes. Unfortunately, the Board passed the regulation.

It's important for vapers to attend meetings like this and/or contact legislators and regulators in their area to keep this from happening! Please join CASAA in this fight. Your donations help us send representatives to fight for e-cigarettes and other smoke-free alternatives.

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I agree Terri. Thad and the other speakers (the "public") were not given a fair opportunity to debate this issue. If so, many of the questions would have been met with accurate answers and the vote would not have been based upon misinformation. The anti's expert was given a gun and they were all handed butter knives.
 

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You can also play this on VLC Player. Thank you Kristin and all those that attended and all those helping to stop this ban.

It's pretty obvious that they were going to ban these no matter what because the report given by this guy was all most all "I'm not sure" "I think" "I'll find out later" "They weren't sure but think" etc. This report was nothing more than this persons thoughts on what he thought.
 
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I just thought I'd also post the transcript of CASAA's statement presented by Thad to the BOH:

My name is Thad Marney, here to represent the members of the Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association. CASAA is a non-profit organization and is not financially affiliated with any tobacco or electronic cigarette companies.

CASAA is deeply concerned about portions of the Proposed No. BOH10-04.1 regulation relating to electronic cigarettes. First, let me be clear that CASAA strongly supports banning the sales of these products to minors. However, additional regulation restricting the use of these products by adults in public and work places would have a severe, NEGATIVE impact on public health. Allowing the indoor use of these products will clearly send a POSITIVE message, not a negative one. Youth will see adults who eschew smoking cigarettes and are choosing a reduced harm alternative. Smokers will see that there is a smokeless alternative available that can keep them from going outside to smoke. Non-smokers will not have to walk through smoke and cigarette butts outside establishments. E-cigarette users who have managed to eliminate their exposure to tobacco smoke will not be forced into smoke-filled smoking areas.

If smokers are encouraged to switch to smokeless products such as e-cigarettes, by allowing their use in public spaces, exposure to toxic smoke will be greatly reduced for both smokers and non-smokers alike. In contrast, treating e-cigarettes the same as tobacco cigarettes will simply encourage smokers to keep smoking. Additionally, the ability for adult smokers to sample e-cigarettes in the store has been shown to greatly increase the likelihood that they will switch from smoking to using e-cigarettes.

Proponents of this regulation argue that indoor use of e-cigarettes will be confusing to patrons, encourage smokers to light up and create difficulties enforcing the current indoor smoking ban. While this may SEEM to be true, including smokeFREE products in a SMOKING ban will only serve to INCREASE confusion, but if the Board focuses on educating the public about e-cigarettes, the public will quickly learn the difference and confusion will be minimal. Additionally, due to the lack of lingering odor and cigarette ashes or butts, proving non-compliance for e-cigarettes would be extremely difficult, if not impossible.

Others will argue that e-cigarettes pose a risk to youth and bystanders. In fact, testing by the FDA and several researchers and labs has found nothing to support this claim. The FDA testing did find tobacco-specific nitrosamines in some of the two brands they tested, but they found them to be at the same levels found in FDA-approved nicotine patches. The only chemical of concern they found was a tiny amount of diethylene glycol in one out of 18 liquid samples and it was at a very low, non-toxic level, moreover there was nothing toxic nor carcinogenic found in the vapor itself. Compared to tobacco cigarette smoke, testing by the FDA and other known researchers has shown e-cigarettes to be extremely low in carcinogens, do not contain toxic levels of any chemical and deliver lower doses of nicotine than many FDA-approved nicotine products.

In conclusion, there is just no evidence that these products would be of any danger to the public. On the contrary, an article published today in the Journal of Public Health Policy argues that QUOTE electronic cigarettes show tremendous promise in the fight against tobacco-related morbidity and mortality. By dramatically expanding the potential for harm reduction strategies to achieve substantial health gains, they may fundamentally alter the tobacco harm reduction debate. END QUOTE
I’m giving you a copy of this article for your review, as well as sample door decals to help establishments to distinguish e-cigarettes from tobacco cigarettes.

Public policy and rules for behavior should be based upon scientific evidence and not reliant upon misinformation and conjecture. CASAA strongly urges the Board of Health to support harm reduction in public health by either striking sections nine B and twelve from this proposal or re-examining the entire proposal before committing to a vote. The greater implications of this proposed regulation should not be taken lightly.

Thank you.
 
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What can they actually do? Are they going to try and arrest people for vaping? Fine them, maybe? I don't see this being an easy thing to enforce. I'd love for somebody to tell me I can't vape. LOL, I feel sorry for the first one who tries. I'd really like to see somebody tell my wife she can't vape, HOLY CRAP, she's mean. :D
 

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thanks for trying. 100% competely unconstitutional. I think if I lived there I would sit and vape on the steps of the county courthouse get myself arrested or fined or whatever, film it and put it on YouTube. Then I would try and see if I could take it all the way to the supreme court. In fact the best person to do this would be the town's mayor because he has some good lawyers working for him someplace I am sure.

Anybody remember how a few years back the Mayor of Santa Cruz handed out you know what to medical patients at city hall? Nope the FEDS didn't dare bust him. Then they left them alone.
 

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I listened to a bunch of nannies trying to tell me what I should do for my own good. The part that pisses me off even more is when they were discussing whether to encourage employers and landlords to ban these devices in their buildings. Its one of the reasons I am quitting after 25 yrs is so I can not have to freeze on my balcony at home in the winter to smoke because of the $500 "smoke cleanup" cause in my apartment lease and now they want to tell me I can't vape in my apartment either? I think i might just go vape within 25 feet of the health department and see what happens.
 

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Live and learn. It seemed they were more concerned about "Social Norms" and secondly "potential unknown health risks"

I one thing becomes deafeningly clear in listening to this. Vaping, Personal Vaporizers, etc..., need to become completely isolated from smoking with the exception of any reference to quiting analogs. The term "E-Cigarette" or "E-Cig" should be dropped completely. Companies should not produce PV's that look like analogs. And yes I do realize that the transition between analogs to vaping is facilitated by the similarities, however, in my experience I went from "analog looking" PV's to less so in a matter of weeks. As most people do once they realized PV's do not have to have the same shape. The ritual is different, and the process is different.

Once we as the vaping community (IE vapers and manufactures) completely separate ourselves and correct the idea that we are still smokers, then maybe we will have some influence over our legislators.

I would encourage ejuice makers to provide ingredient list either on their bottles on product web sites so there is NO confusion as to what users are inhaling.

Finally, I request to the forum host consider change the forum name from ECF to something not associated with cigarettes.

Thanks for listening, I will get off my box now. Vape on!
 

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With that in mind, I would disassociate myself from the vaping community. Lapsing into the mindset of the anti-smoking mob is something I NEVER want to be a part of, and I for one, DO want an ecig that looks like a regular cigarette, AND I want it to be called an e cig, not something that sounds like a medical device. Do not speak for all of us when making suggestions, or you will surely lose support among some in the vaping community.
 

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Our government best serves it's people when it operates from the confines of the The Constitution. Every time they try to do more than that the results are disastrous and accomplish nothing more than turning honest citizens into petty criminals. All these laws and smoking bans are meant to do nothing more than take more of our hard earned dollars in the form of fines and taxes. I, for one, will do what I think is acceptable. If some hoity toity, nose in the air, know it all doesn't like it.... TOO BAD!

What made America in the beginning, (our Forefather's desire to escape persecution, oppression, and TAXES) has been lost in the recent generations. As long as WE allow these stupid laws and bans to have effect...they will. Go on with life as usual and they mean nothing. WE will prevail... one day.
 
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