I know many on here will disagree, but in my experience if the juice maker offers flavor shots, especially multiple shots like MBV, get the flavor shot. Usually it means they got a lot of requests for extra flavor, and I suspect many of the cheaper juice makers are keeping prices down by not using a lot of flavoring, and using flavor shot charges for extra profit. Something to keep in mind is when you see a huge thread for a particular brand it's mostly the same fans posting constantly, and people who didn't like the juice usually stay out of the thread so they don't get jumped on by the fanboys. Try a search for other threads/reviews, even on other sites for a more balanced idea of their quality. MBV gets mixed reviews at best, other than a couple fan threads. Vape Wild gets better reviews, though again reviews are somewhat mixed. ITC and Dr Crimmy's are two inexpensive brands that get more consistent good reviews. Again, I do recommend the flavor shot though.