Another Popular Science article bashing vaping

[TomCatt]

popsci.com/article/science/e-cigarettes-not-harmless-should-be-regulated-cigs-study-says?dom=PSC&loc=recent&lnk=3&con=ecigarettes-not-harmless-should-be-regulated-like-cigs-study-says

Furthermore, when heated and vaporized, propylene glycol--often used in e-cigarettes to form aerosol particles--can form propylene oxide (*), a recognized carcinogen.

* - pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/jp300997d

Propylene glycol (1) has been found to decompose according to three possible reaction pathways shown in Scheme 1. With a barrier of 91.0 kcal/mol, the first route is a dehydration reaction leading to allyl alcohol (5). The other two possible degradation schemes involve the formation of propylene oxide (2) as an intermediate, which can be formed much more easily than 5 by overcoming a reaction barrier of only 66.5 kcal/mol. Via hydrogen shift, propylene oxide (2) can decompose further, forming acetone (3) or propanal (4) with barriers of 67.0 and 58.6 kcal/mol, respectively. It can be concluded that propanal is the main product of the thermal decomposition of PG. Table 1 summarizes the thermodynamic and kinetic data computed for T = 800 K.

800 K = 980 F

 

[Anybody]

Wow, talk about throat hit. Methinks propylene oxide would be the least of your worries, since if you took a pull on that your worries would quite literally vanish lol

 

[zoiDman]

It's time to Start Fighting Back.

Start by Contacting websites like this and Let them Know what you Feel.

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[Nikkel]

We are biased. It is hard, maybe impossible, for us to view the facts dispassionately. It seems that every article or study that mentions anything negative about vaping is being bashed -- by us.
I am starting to think regulations prohibiting ecig use in public places, especially in confined spaces, might be reasonable.

 

[Anybody]

We are biased. It is hard, maybe impossible, for us to view the facts dispassionately. It seems that every article or study that mentions anything negative about vaping is being bashed -- by us.
I am starting to think regulations prohibiting ecig use in public places, especially in confined spaces, might be reasonable.

We may be biased, but most of the negative press is simply wrong, or so overblown as to be laughable and therefore needs a bit of bashing. For example, the above article states that you can form propylene oxide through vaping. Well, you probably could if your PV could manage to get close to 1000 degrees. Personally I value my lungs (and life) too much to take a pull on a PV that hot, so its overblown and laughable and deserves to be called out on the carpet.

 

[wv2win]

We are biased. It is hard, maybe impossible, for us to view the facts dispassionately. It seems that every article or study that mentions anything negative about vaping is being bashed -- by us.
I am starting to think regulations prohibiting ecig use in public places, especially in confined spaces, might be reasonable.

Really? Based on what? Have you read any of these studies (I guess not):

The Ultimate List of E-Cig Studies: Are E-Cigs Actually Safe? *Updated 2/16/14 » onVaping

The FDA, BT, BP and any ANTZ really appreciate vapers who "think?" this way.

 

[DrMA]

We are biased. It is hard, maybe impossible, for us to view the facts dispassionately. It seems that every article or study that mentions anything negative about vaping is being bashed -- by us.
I am starting to think regulations prohibiting ecig use in public places, especially in confined spaces, might be reasonable.

I'm starting to think Cass Sunstein has already put his plan into action of seeding internet forums with government trolls who attempt to change the discourse and peddle the Establishment propaganda.

 

[Nikkel]

The FDA, BT, BP and any ANTZ really appreciate vapers who "think?" this way.

BT is on "our" side. They would be morally outraged at my suggestion that our freedom to vape in public might be harmful.

Quote from the study:
"Altria and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company maintain Web sites called Citizens for Tobacco Rights and Transform Tobacco. E-cigarette news and action alerts are featured on the home pages of these websites and include instructions for taking action against bills designed to include e-cigarette use in smoke-free laws."
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/129/19/1972.full

 

[r77r7r]

I'll tell ya, the list of media that I'll be ignoring in the future because of anti-ecig coverage is really growing!

 

[KY_Rob]

Just out of curiosity, how hot does a coil get when producing vapor? I can't imagine more than 150-200 deg F?

 

[Nikkel]

I'm starting to think Cass Sunstein has already put his plan into action of seeding internet forums with government trolls who attempt to change the discourse and peddle the Establishment propaganda.

I am tempted to deny that I am a government troll under the direction of Cass Sunstein, but I'm not going to do it because I would sound like Richard Nixon when he said he wasn't a crook.

 

[Nikkel]

We may be biased, but most of the negative press is simply wrong, or so overblown as to be laughable and therefore needs a bit of bashing. For example, the above article states that you can form propylene oxide through vaping. Well, you probably could if your PV could manage to get close to 1000 degrees. Personally I value my lungs (and life) too much to take a pull on a PV that hot, so its overblown and laughable and deserves to be called out on the carpet.

What you wrote is not a bash. It is a reasonable rebuttal. I'm talking about knee-jerk reactions like the one suggesting I'm in cahoots with the FDA and BT.

 

[Sarin]

For a start that they are heating the PG to a way higher temperature than an coil or atomiser would reach and secondly you have to have a bit of common sense. Are e-cigarettes safe? Well i can tell you that the human lungs are not designed to be filled with a combination of vaporised PG and VG, they are designed to accept oxygen. Therefore there could be a risk further down the line. Are they safer than smoking analogs, yes i personally think so. If you're after a completely safe smoking experience then i'm afraid you're going to be severely disappointed. It's about time that people realised that vaping isn't like smoking, it's sometime new and everything new has risks. Don't want to risk it then don't vape.

 

[wv2win]

I'll tell ya, the list of media that I'll be ignoring in the future because of anti-ecig coverage is really growing!

Then start or continue to watch Fox News. They are the only major media outlet primarily supportive of vaping.

 

[wv2win]

BT is on "our" side. They would be morally outraged at my suggestion that our freedom to vape in public might be harmful.

Quote from the study:
"Altria and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company maintain Web sites called Citizens for Tobacco Rights and Transform Tobacco. E-cigarette news and action alerts are featured on the home pages of these websites and include instructions for taking action against bills designed to include e-cigarette use in smoke-free laws."
E-Cigarettes

Ah, I'm afraid you have been deceived. BT is working with the FDA on regulations that will allow them to be the only option left in the game. They have actively lobbied against the selling of vaping gear/eliquid via the internet. It is no coincidence that the Deeming Regulations equivalency rule goes back to 2007 as the only gear that is acceptable without millions of dollars in application fees. This is all that BT sells.

 

[Nikkel]

Then start or continue to watch Fox News. They are the only major media outlet primarily supportive of vaping.

Having the support of the fair and balanced Repealicans at Faux News is a dubious honor.
Survey: People Who Watch No News Know More Than Fox Viewers | Blog | Media Matters for America

 

[wv2win]

Having the support of the fair and balanced Repealicans at Faux News is a dubious honor.
Survey: People Who Watch No News Know More Than Fox Viewers | Blog | Media Matters for America

You are a fine example of how that is a BS survey that has been discredited many times before.

The facts still remain, it is the only national news organization supportive of vaping through it's commentary. Your comments in this thread demonstrate a significant lack of knowledge and understanding of the facts on vaping.

 

[kachuge]

ALERT! DON'T VAPE URINE! IT TURNS INTO AMMONIA!

Human urine is one of the most excellent sources of nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium for plants, delivered in liquid form that’s perfect for mixing, diluting, or instant use. Not only that, we all have a constant, year-round supply of it - and it's free! ...not to mention plentiful..lol.

Fresh human urine is sterile and so free from bacteria, that in fact it can be drunk when fresh; it’s only when it is older than 24 hours that the urine turns into ammonia. At this stage it's too strong for use on plants, but can be poured undiluted onto the compost heap, and it makes a great compost accelerator/activator, with the extra bonus of adding more nutrients to your compost....

But don't vape it, it turns into ammonia and other fun stuff.

...and that is my warning to fellow vapors....

Disclaimer: Please excuse my sarcasm, but at least what I am saying is true and not misleading.

G

 

[zoiDman]

Here is Another Good Example of Skewed e-Cigarette "Journalism".

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/2...th-issues-more-likely-to-turn-to-e-cigarettes

People with psychiatric disorders consume approximately 30 percent to 50 percent of all cigarettes sold annually in the United States, the researchers noted.

 

[Anybody]

Never said you were bud, just know that the media is hard core trying to screw us, and the government is paying them off