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I had some Vanilla Beans laying around at work and decided to run a trial on them.

Below (circa 2002) is from Nielsen-Massey, a major supplier of Vanilla products to the Food and Beverage industry.
"From Nielsen-Massey:
Q: What is a fold of vanilla?
A: A fold is the relative measure of strength of vanilla extract. Single fold vanilla is typically what the consumer buys at the market. For food processing, two, three or four fold vanillas are typically used. A single fold vanilla contains the extractive matter of 13.35 ounces of vanilla beans, containing less than 25% moisture, in one gallon of 35% aqueous ethyl alcohol. Two fold uses 26.7 ounces of vanilla beans, contains twice as much extractive matter and is twice as strong. Three fold and four fold are just three or four time the content of one fold. This is a standard of identity set by the FDA for Pure Vanilla."

So based on that info:
Regular standard vanilla is one fold:
If 1 US gallon= 3.79 L
then 13.35 oz/3.79 L or 3.52 oz per liter
If 1 oz = 28.35 g
then 100 g vanilla beans per liter of Vodka. Scale up for 2x, 3x etc...

As I had 150 grams of beans hanging out I decided to split this into 2 trials.

The first with 200 ml 100 proof (or 50% water) Vodka. To this 200 ml liquid I added 100 g Vanilla Beans coarsely chopped .
The second with 100 ml 80 proof (or 60% water) (Product redacted to protect against intellectual theft) Alcohol. To this 100 ml liquid I added 50 g Vanilla Beans coarsely chopped.

So, I'm not going to insert a spreadsheet here, but the ratio's above put both trials above a 4 fold Vanilla Extract. Or ....*** strong. I have never used anything over 2 fold in the kitchen so this should allow for very small amounts to be used in a mix.

I plan on letting this age or cure for as long as possible while sampling at 14 day intervals to pinpoint the ideal length of time needed to produce an acceptable end product.

I have stated in other threads that heat is the enemy of Vanilla and after several conversations with individuals in the Culinary field (and a mess of Googling), I have to rescind those statements.

I plan on evaporating the alcohol and combining with a flavor carrier once the desired flavor is achieved.

One other thing I will say about Vanilla Extraction that I have learned is that Everclear is not a good solvent for Vanilla.

I'll let ya'll know results down the road.
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Subscribing to this thread for sure. I only wish I had found it a few hours ago. I started my first attempt at extracting vanilla today and keep in mind that I have no idea what I'm doing. Was only able to find a couple of threads that mentioned it. I had 7 bourbon Madagascar vanilla bean. I split and scraped them, then cut the beans into pieces a couple of inches long, and put them in a 120ml amber bottle with 100ml of pg. I had just enough room left in the bottle to add 10ml of everclear. I gave it a good shake to mix it all up, put today's date on it, and put it in a desk drawer that never gets opened. The little bit of reading I could find, suggests it could take up to six months for this to be ready for filtering. Have you tried extracting in Pg? I will be checking in on this thread often as I really hope to be able make a good vanilla base in time. Thanks for posting your trials. I hope they turn out the way you want them to
 

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Subscribing to this thread for sure. I only wish I had found it a few hours ago. I started my first attempt at extracting vanilla today and keep in mind that I have no idea what I'm doing. Was only able to find a couple of threads that mentioned it. I had 7 bourbon Madagascar vanilla bean. I split and scraped them, then cut the beans into pieces a couple of inches long, and put them in a 120ml amber bottle with 100ml of pg. I had just enough room left in the bottle to add 10ml of everclear. I gave it a good shake to mix it all up, put today's date on it, and put it in a desk drawer that never gets opened. The little bit of reading I could find, suggests it could take up to six months for this to be ready for filtering. Have you tried extracting in Pg? I will be checking in on this thread often as I really hope to be able make a good vanilla base in time. Thanks for posting your trials. I hope they turn out the way you want them to

I've been waiting for you Stacy1 as we've been chasing the same threads...

I just edited the post, I only coarsely chopped my beans as the soak may take a while. I expect even with alcohol as a solvent upwards of 4 months, but with such a high ratio of beans it may be less.

I have not tried extracting into PG (yet) only because alcohol is a more efficient solvent and I believe I can achieve a higher end concentration thus achieving the "rarely (if ever) achieved" (nod to Boletus ;))
 

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I was going to do a 70/30 pg/pga ratio but someone on here stated that the alcohol extracted too much of things in the plant matter making it almost impossible to filter it good enough. Said it was instant coil gunker. I dont know. It's going to be time consuming but as much as I like vanilla flavors from nicoticket I'm going to figure out how to make me a vanilla base that works. I probably need to go ahead and order a boat load of beans and a tanker of pg. Many have tried and very few are anywhere close to being happy with the results
 

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You'll probably wind up with some good tasting vanilla, but I think the problem will be it will gunk your coils really fast. I'd suggest finding some artificial ones that you can live with in your mixes and perhaps combining two or more different ones for a stand a lone recipe. That's the route I've taken and I think several others on here as well.

Good luck and keep us posted.
 

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Soignee, what are you planning on using to filter your extraction. I havent bought anything to filter with as of yet only because I dont know what to use, but I'd like to update on my pg trial around the same times you update on the alcohol ones. I read someone had been semi successful with a two mms filter but felt a 1 was needed. Where the hell do you get something like that. The three stage filter I have for my drinking water only goes down to 5
 

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I just found these Bag Filters / Sock Filters / Water Sock Filters / WVO Filters / Oil Filters / SVO Filters - 1, 5, 10, 25, 50, 75, 100, 200 , 400, 600 Micron / Size 1, 2, or 3 Sock Filters- Utah Biodiesel Supply. The 1 ml are too long really, but they will custom size for you.

I have just briefly searched for 1 ml syringe filters. I'm dealing with such a relatively small amount that a cartridge filter is sort of overkill right now although they are available and relatively cheap. I haven't put all my Google Fu into it yet, 1 ml filters start to take the biologic's out so home brewing, water filtration, pharma etc...is where I'll start looking. To bad I don't have my old backpacking water filters still. I'd be interested to see how they could be re purposed. :)

Side note - I've been applying water bath heat at around 120 degrees for a couple of hours a day to speed this process up a bit.
 

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I think the syringe filters may do pretty good as a final step or maybe next to last. Filtration is going to be the hard part of this experiment I believe. If not done well enough we're just going to gunk up coils. I'll start looking harder for ideas over the next few days. I initially wanted to add heat because it really speeds up my steep time on juices but I've read that it is not good for vanilla extraction. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. I'm going to let mine go slow and easy. No heat, no light and hope for the best
 

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I believe in a neighboring thread I have already posted a link to these filters, but I see it could be useful to repost it again.
Amazon.com: Syringe Filter, PVDF, 25mm diameter, 0.2um, 10/pk: Industrial & Scientific
With a syringe you do not rely on gravity, you can just push liquid thought a filter with a plunge. Easily. Or relatively easily.

Thanks Alien Traveler, I will take a look!

I think the syringe filters may do pretty good as a final step or maybe next to last. Filtration is going to be the hard part of this experiment I believe. If not done well enough we're just going to gunk up coils. I'll start looking harder for ideas over the next few days. I initially wanted to add heat because it really speeds up my steep time on juices but I've read that it is not good for vanilla extraction. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. I'm going to let mine go slow and easy. No heat, no light and hope for the best

I was in the heat is bad group so let's see how this plays out with hot and cold! I've got an hour to kill so I'll peruse Google for a while from Alien's link.
 

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Theres no doubt we'll have to do several rounds of filtering at different microns, but if we can get it clean enough to get through the 1 micron syringe filter I dont think it will gunk coils anymore than any other vanilla custardy dark colored juice. Im getting excited about this vanilla adventure. Ive been testing a lot of different cream, vanilla and custard flavors on their on and have several mixes I think work very well together. Im so hoping that this vanilla extraction base turns out to be the missing link
 

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Theres no doubt we'll have to do several rounds of filtering at different microns, but if we can get it clean enough to get through the 1 micron syringe filter I dont think it will gunk coils anymore than any other vanilla custardy dark colored juice. Im getting excited about this vanilla adventure. Ive been testing a lot of different cream, vanilla and custard flavors on their on and have several mixes I think work very well together. Im so hoping that this vanilla extraction base turns out to be the missing link

I'm in the same boat, I've got some really nice vanilla based stuff that will only get better with better vanilla! And I deal with coffee extract too that needs better filtering.
 
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