Vanilla custard safe to vape?

[Don Chiasson]

I know this has been a topic hear in a few different threads, and I know test results have been discussed. But, I still have my worries about even ordering the concentrate at all. I Have not seen anything about this posted in recent times and is why im asking now. In fact, I just poured 60ml of Great DIY "Sweet Vanilla Custard" down the drain! I used all TFA flavor concentrates from Wiz Labs. 15% Vanilla Custard, 4% Pie Crust, .7% Acytel Pyrazine, .7% Stevia....Wondering if any more testing or information regarding the use of the 2 chemicals used in VC are still being used? Not? Today it still says on TPA's website that they do have the chemicals in there. Is everyone still gaping Vanilla Custard? Harmful or did I throw all that great stuff away for no reason?

Thanks very much, any info that may help would be greatful.

Don C.

 

[salemgold]

That is a personal decision for everyone to decide. The custard/butter type flavors do contain diacetyl or acetyl proprianate (sp?) that could turn to diacetyl. Cigs also contain diacetyl.

I do personally vape flavors containing diacetyl in small amounts as I feel like by the time it is diluted the amount contained in my ejuice is minute enough for my comfort zone. I do go very light with my flavorings as well.

You may want to look up popcorn lung and more info on diacetyl to decide for yourself. Just keep in mind that the workers exposure was much higher than what we would be exposed to using small amounts to flavor our ejuice.

This is a very volatile subject here on ECF and I hope that this thread stays nice and informative

Good luck to you.

Ooh, I just noticed that you are using 15% vanilla custard. No, that is too much for me. I may use a few drops in a 30 ml bottle but, I never use 15% total flavoring in my liquids.

 

[ShariR]

I can not vape Vanilla Custard, it gives me a bad burning sensation. I am sensitive to it. I also can not vape cinnamon juices. Cinnamon is a known irritant. But that is me. I did a lot of reading on this topic. I will not vape anything with diacetyl or its replacements. Same with cinnamon.

But I know many people that do vape both and love them.

I think it is a personal decision and everybody can react differently to a substance. If you read the threads, Govt findings and scientific reports, then you have the info on risk. I have not seen any new info in the last couple of months.

 

[Don Chiasson]

That is a personal decision for everyone to decide. The custard/butter type flavors do contain diacetyl or acetyl proprianate (sp?) that could turn to diacetyl. Cigs also contain diacetyl.

I do personally vape flavors containing diacetyl in small amounts as I feel like by the time it is diluted the amount contained in my ejuice is minute enough for my comfort zone. I do go very light with my flavorings as well.

You may want to look up popcorn lung and more info on diacetyl to decide for yourself. Just keep in mind that the workers exposure was much higher than what we would be exposed to using small amounts to flavor our ejuice.

This is a very volatile subject here on ECF and I hope that this thread stays nice and informative

Good luck to you.

Ooh, I just noticed that you are using 15% vanilla custard. No, that is too much for me. I may use a few drops in a 30 ml bottle but, I never use 15% total flavoring in my liquids.

I enjoy strong sweet flavors and always use between 10 -20% flavoring with TFA (Depending on which favors, i.e. Raisin, Tiramisu)
Thank you for your opinion, exactly what I'm looking for is everyone's opinion of vaping it.

Thanks, Don C.

 

[we2rcool]

Both TFA & Capella VC contain acetoin and acetyl propionyl...and because of those two ingredients, they may contain very trace amounts of diacetyl.

From our taste testing, usage & reactions experience, there's no doubt in our mind that Capella's contains "more" of whatever it is that is harmful.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...a-custard-flavoring-diacetyl.html#post2288120

From the above post:

Research – We purchased a bottle of Vanilla Custard from Cappellas and had it shipped directly to a flavor analysis company. We requested testing for three ingredients, Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl and Acetoin.

The response we received is as follows.
“Good evening, Kimberly. Your check arrived today and thank you. Diacetyl, 2,3-Pentanedione, and Acetoin are all present in the Vanilla Custard sample that you sent. Just a very small amount of diacetyl, however. Let me know if you need anything else. “

In attempting to get some sort of report we could share with the public, we learned quite a bit. The Diacetyl is a trace amount and it is most probably there due to Acetoins ability to catalyze or change to Diacetyl. Acetoin is supposed to stabilize once mixed with other molecules, in its pure form it has the abilility to break down to Diacetyl.

Wanting next to know what prompts the Acetoin to Catalyze into Diacetyl we found a few articles.

(those articles and more good information in the post/link above)

From TFA's website on Vanilla Custard:

a rich, buttery custard flavor. stronger than our bavarian cream (which has no "Custard" Notes).

*** contains both "Custard" ingredients (acetoin and acetyl propionyl) -

You can learn a LOT more about those two ingredients at TFA's Flavorist's Corner here: Perfumer's Apprentice

Fwiw - our experience:

We tried the Capella VC at 7.5% in a Grant's VC clone - and found that it was WAY too harsh for us to consider "safe to vape". When using it at 4% in a different mix, we could sense virtually none of the irritation or burning (that had actually made me cough - I could feel the irritation the next day).

However, when trying it at 4% in a different mix, neither of us sensed the irritation. However, it did cause a wee-bit of tightness in my lungs after vaping 2 mls.

We've only sampled the TFA (10%) in a drip atty - but felt no irritation at all. Nor did we sense the rich-buttery-ness that flavors high in the dangerous chemicals typically produce.

We will likely use the Cap VC (at 4% or less!) as an occasional "special treat vape". We'll have to mix up a bit more of the TFA and vape a ml or two before using it in a mix.

'Hope that helps in your quest!

 

[crxess]

What is Popcorn Lung? (with picture)

An excellent article that explains in a way that makes sense and also shows just how out of hand the Scare has gotten.

Please note one very dominant factor - MICROWAVE Popcorn Exposure.

Only one person outside of Manufacturing exposure has been reported as contracting Popcorn lung and that from Excessive consumption of Microwave Popcorn.

 

[HeadInClouds]

FA (Flavour Art) has a Custard that does not contain diacetyl or its derivatives (acetoin and acetyl propionyl). Their website has available 'Clear Stream' test results from an outside lab.

The flavor is quite different from other Custards. It's a base flavor, not a heavy vanilla custard. It's rich, creamy, and one of their sweeter flavors, but nowhere near as sweet/heavy as other manufacturer's 'Vanilla Custard' flavors. I make custard recipes with it as an ingredient, 1/2 to 1/4 of the total flavoring. Depending on the flavor I'm after, I might add Catalan Cream, Fresh Cream, vanillas, caramels, chocolates, spices...from them or other manufacturers. It makes delicious recipes, but to my taste it's not an interesting stand-alone flavor.

 

[michaelsil1]

I smoked for 51 years and the amount of crap that I inhaled (and enjoyed) is outrageous. If you're enjoying the Flavor I say go for it trace amounts is a lot better than smoking.

 

[Aheadatime]

From what I understand, popcorn lung is the result of an intense amount of exposure. All of the studies have shown that the concentrates were dealing with contain trace amounts of diacetyl. I bolded those two because its important from a quantifiable perspective.

Vaping the concentrate straight for prolonged periods of time on a regular basis would probably be an issue down the road. Diluting it to <10% and vaping it in rotation with flavors that don't contain diacetyl is another story. The amount in the concentrate has now been cut by 9 tenths or more, meaning you're inhaling one tenth of what is classified as 'trace' amounts. Vaping at those low levels infrequently (I don't ADV anything with diacetyl) is something that I've accepted as a calculated risk. I'm fine with it. But you should do the homework yourself and make that decision on your own. This is just my experience, not a suggestion or a form of advice.

 

[vangrl27]

what about vapers whose all day vape is vanilla custard? To be directly inhaling huge amounts of vapor that even contain trace amounts of diacteyl must be bad for you. Some of these factory workers started showing signs as early as eight months into their job, working 8 hour shifts. Some vapers vape all of their waking moments, using RBA's to get the biggest hit possible, and going through up to 10ml's of juice a day!

I don't know, it certainly scares me I really wish that all venders listed which of their flavours carried acetoin, acetyl and diacetyl.

"Powder flavorings were found to give off much lower diacetyl emissions than pastes or liquids. The mean diacetyl emissions from liquids and pastes were 64 and 26 times larger, respectively, than the mean of diacetyl emissions from powders. The median diacetyl emissions from liquids and pastes were 364 and 72 times larger, respectively, than the median of diacetyl emissions from powders. Fourteen of 16 powders had diacetyl emissions that were lower than the diacetyl emissions from any liquid flavoring and from most paste flavorings."