Tried an Njoy "equal to two packs" disposable the other day...what a joke.

[armchairnomad]

The thing lasted about half my work day, having smoked before work, my first break, and my lunch, and died on my last break. Having forgotten my ecig at home, I thought I'd try it out. 2 packs? I wonder what kinds of puffs they're taking, or if they're just all out lying. I told the clerk after work not to recommend them to anybody and to recommend (even though they're advertising isn't completely truthful, one lasts me all day at least) the Blu disposable they were also selling if anyone asks about them.

False advertising at it's finest.

 

[J.R. Bob Dobbs]

no cartridge or cartomizer is equal to even one pack...


though you can expect a cartridge(the small ones that slide over an atomizer, old tech) to last you about equal to 10 cigarettes worth

cartomizers are slightly more, but far more effective at what they do.


but look into an ego kit, you will be far happier by a long shot. almost every vendor on the planet sells ego stuff

 

[Bosco]

Ya - total bs. I don't know why they feel the need to say that - it might fool somebody the first time but smokers know how long a pack lasts them. 2 packs for me = 2 days. 1 disposable e cig for me equals 1/2 day.

 

[Dana A]

So are u saying the Blue lasts a bit longer than the njoy? I always wondered which I would stop and buy at a gas station if I were in a pinch.

 

[Blurgas]

no cartridge or cartomizer is equal to even one pack...

I think I've heard that the carts on Blu/etc contain 1mL of juice at most, usually closer to .5mL, and it takes 3mL to equal one pack
I believe the 3mL = 1 pack bit as I have this mini-clearo that's .9mL and I refill it at least 3x a day

 

[armchairnomad]

no cartridge or cartomizer is equal to even one pack...


though you can expect a cartridge(the small ones that slide over an atomizer, old tech) to last you about equal to 10 cigarettes worth

cartomizers are slightly more, but far more effective at what they do.


but look into an ego kit, you will be far happier by a long shot. almost every vendor on the planet sells ego stuff

I've been smoking the Blu Premium100 kit, and also have a Pulsar 7 manual herb vape that I unscrewed the atomizer from and can attach 510 cartos to...and that thing looks exactly the same as the Riva 510. It works great, gets huge hits, and lasts forever on a single charge. I will be buying some supplies for it soon (probably a tank)...so no need to get a new system at the moment.

So are u saying the Blue lasts a bit longer than the NJoy? I always wondered which I would stop and buy at a gas station if I were in a pinch.

The Blu disposable is much larger than any of the other disposables I've tried or seen, and I love Blu's (Not sure which Johnsons Creek flavor it is) menthol.

 

[armchairnomad]

I think I've heard that the carts on Blu/etc contain 1mL of juice at most, usually closer to .5mL, and it takes 3mL to equal one pack
I believe the 3mL = 1 pack bit as I have this mini-clearo that's .9mL and I refill it at least 3x a day

I'm pretty sure they contain less than 1ml. I have some JC 3ml sample bottles and can refill a carto 5 or 6 times with 1 bottle.

 

[BlkWolfMidnight]

Well, first off the batteries are not that strong to begin with....they are bargin basement equipment (ment to be a quick easy fix)...
The carto's are not boge's, I don't even think they would compair to what you can purchase el-cheapo on most sites. They are made to function properly for a limited amount of time meaning low compacity for liquid.
As for the user, those of us who have mods already have vaping habbits akin there of (lots of vapor, lots of flavor) so the draw is a long, slow one. I'm pretty sure that they didn't factor this in when designing them, it was more like "Hum, lets design these off regular smokers, short hard puffs". I've replicated a "Analog smokers draw" on one and yes it can last a day, my lungs didn't thank me though and at the end I'm pretty sure I'd turned the carto filler in to charcoal.
In short, a good quick fix for an issue..but def. not for the long haul solution for people that already vape.

 

[daddytwigs]

I second the blu disposables. TH is a little weak, but the flavor is tolerable and its nice to have one around in a pinch.i gave one to my daughter over the holidays cause she was staying in a hotel and she and her BF loved it.i haven't tried the new NJOY, only because I've tried their previous products and thought they sucked.ive seen the njoy king's ads, and I can see how they appeal to smokers.

 

[mtw4shore]

Jokes are what you make of them. A lot of people find Dice Clay hilarious, but I can't stand him.
I started with the Njoy to see if vaping was even a possibility for me. I went 4 hours without a smoke! That's how long the disposable lasted. It was a great investment for me. I then bought a Vtube (Lavatube), and have cut my smoking by 80%. I now wish I would have just picked up an Ego kit instead. A friend got one and has had no problems with accessories like I have. It is definitely the next step take. They are pretty much no muss, no fuss, and easy to use.

 

[Salt&PePPer]

I've been thinking about writing an "Open Letter" to the makers of Disposable eCIgs asking them to "please stop lying" about how long they last.

I know big time liars.

 

[armchairnomad]

Jokes are what you make of them. A lot of people find Dice Clay hilarious, but I can't stand him.
I started with the Njoy to see if vaping was even a possibility for me. I went 4 hours without a smoke! That's how long the disposable lasted. It was a great investment for me. I then bought a Vtube (Lavatube), and have cut my smoking by 80%. I now wish I would have just picked up an Ego kit instead. A friend got one and has had no problems with accessories like I have. It is definitely the next step take. They are pretty much no muss, no fuss, and easy to use.

No matter if it helped you transition into vaping from smoking or not...it still says "Equal to two packs" on the label. That's the "joke". The discussion wasn't about if it was helpful or not, it was about the terrible false advertising on Njoy's part.

 

[Tail11]

I still buy a few disposables here and there. Mainly for a taste break away from my usual juices. I did buy the Njoy rechargeable kit when I first started vaping. I ended up giving the batts away because I got tired of sucking on the thing. Disposables are a good way for people to try vaping and hopefully research it by coming here or at least do a google search and find out there are way better products out there.

My one and only encounter with a fellow vaper was a woman that vapes disposables only. Even though I did not know much about vaping, I asked her why she didn't buy juice and rechargeable batteries. She said she didn't want to be bothered by all that stuff. She had been off cigarettes for 7 months.

I do like the little Njoy kings for stealth vaping. I have small hands, but I can completely cover the ecig up with my hand to stealth vape. I don't buy them very often, but in a pinch they come in handy. I plan on buying a few this riding season for my motorcycle so I can get a quick vape in once in awhile while riding. I would die if I dropped one of my good batteries to be forever lost on the road!

I agree that they do not last as long as they claim, but as a consumer we have choices to either purchase the product or not.

 

[mrmiller96]

Just figured I'd mention that the pack equivalence the disposable industry uses is based on total nicotine content of the cart rather than the number of hits, lifespan of the battery, or volume of liquid. 24mg/ml in slightly less than 1ml is about the same amount of nicotine you would find in a pack of cigarettes (full flavor kings). The NJoy kings have ~48mg, making the nicotine content roughly equal to 2 packs (3 for those who smoke cigs with less nicotine content.)

That's why it's not technically false advertising, though it is misleading. What they don't account for is that the nicotine works differently in an ecig than in a cigarette, is absorbed slower, and takes longer to get the same satisfied feeling from the nicotine in the ecig. (a 5 minute smoke is ~= a 10-15 minute vape.) Add that to the fact that the nicotine in a cigarette is 'supercharged' with chemical compounds intended to enhance and speed up it's effects and you have a recipe for 'pack equivalence' failure.

So it's probably a good idea to keep that in mind when reading 'pack equivalence' labels. if it says it is equal to 2 packs, it's going to be closer to 10 cigarettes. I would love to see the vaping community work to change the way this is labelled to make companies take all this into account when calculating pack equivalence to make it less misleading and more accurate. As it is, it helps their business but hurts the vaping community and those who might otherwise switch by making it look like a scam.

 

[Baditude]

I posted this story in another thread, but it is more relevant in this one.

Talk about ignorant sales people and misleading sales pitches, last weekend I visited a mall and saw a kiosk for some off-brand cigalikes. Out of curiosity, I walked over to see what was being offered. The salesman looked to be age 20 at most.

Salesman: "Are you a smoker?"
Me: "No, I quit. Now I'm a vapor."
This goes right over his head. He holds out a mini-ecig for me to try.

Me: "How long will this battery last per charge?"
Him: "It will last you two to three days."
I think to myself, more like 2-3 hours.

Me: "How about the flavored cartomizer. How long will it last?"
Him: "The filter on the battery will last the equivalent of a pack of cigarettes."
I take a long drag on his e-cig. Small amount of vapor, weak flavor, no throat hit. How can they sell any of these things?

Me: "I don't believe anything that you just told me. Just curious, how much are you selling the kit for?"
Him: "Today we are offering a special sale. You will get 2 batteries, a charger, 10 filters in a variety of flavors. All this for just $195.00.

At this point I pull out my Provari topped with a cartotank.
Him: "What is that?"
Me: "THIS is MY e-cig."

I ask him if he would like to try it. He declines. So I take a long drag on the Provari. I produce an incredible plume of vapor as I exhale, quadrupling the size of the small whiff of vapor his e-cig made.

Me: "This thing costs the same as that kit you are selling, and look what it can do."
Him: "That thing is huge. I've never seen anything like that. You might be interested in this electric cigar over here..."

I told him no thanks. I told him, not to be rude, but its obvious that he has a limited knowledge of what e-cigarettes are available and I can tell that he has been trained only to sell his brand of e-cigs. I thanked him for humoring me and went off on my way.

 

[MacSabbath]

The disposable e-cigs are really lame and I wouldn't suggest them to anyone. My first e-cig was a $10 disposable (Evolution brand) that lasted all of 2 hours and half the time I craved an analog while using it. It ended up being a big waste of money and if I hadn't done a little more research I'd probably still be smoking analogs.

 

[Salt&PePPer]

My favorite Flavor out of any eLiquid would be Square's 24mg King Tobacco flavor. I wish I could buy that from them in the bottle. They don't make their 24mg King that was an Auto style eCig.

 

[jfjardine02]

Just figured I'd mention that the pack equivalence the disposable industry uses is based on total nicotine content of the cart rather than the number of hits, lifespan of the battery, or volume of liquid. 24mg/ml in slightly less than 1ml is about the same amount of nicotine you would find in a pack of cigarettes (full flavor kings). The NJoy kings have ~48mg, making the nicotine content roughly equal to 2 packs (3 for those who smoke cigs with less nicotine content.)

That's why it's not technically false advertising, though it is misleading. What they don't account for is that the nicotine works differently in an ecig than in a cigarette, is absorbed slower, and takes longer to get the same satisfied feeling from the nicotine in the ecig. (a 5 minute smoke is ~= a 10-15 minute vape.) Add that to the fact that the nicotine in a cigarette is 'supercharged' with chemical compounds intended to enhance and speed up it's effects and you have a recipe for 'pack equivalence' failure.

So it's probably a good idea to keep that in mind when reading 'pack equivalence' labels. if it says it is equal to 2 packs, it's going to be closer to 10 cigarettes. I would love to see the vaping community work to change the way this is labelled to make companies take all this into account when calculating pack equivalence to make it less misleading and more accurate. As it is, it helps their business but hurts the vaping community and those who might otherwise switch by making it look like a scam.

Sorry I dont know how to select the quote!....But I'm responding to the point about comparability with the amount of nicotine IN 2 packs. A typical cigarette CONTAINS around 11mg of nicotine. A government machine taking one 35ml puff/minute may absorb about 1.1mg from it, but a smoker will more typically absorb around 1.3-2mg and can easily get 3mg. But if we are going to compare like with like, the disposable ecig claims to CONTAIN 24mg of nicotine, but the pack of cigarettes CONTAINS 20*11=220mg of nicotine.
Now if we are interested in comparing like-for-like absorption, the smoker will typically absorb around 1.5mg nicotine, obtaining a peak blood nicotine of concentration of around 14 ng/ml, whereas from a disposable ecig we dont know exactly how much nicotine they will absorb, but the best estimate is that from a single puffing session they will get a blood nicotine level of around 1-2mg/ml. So whichever way you cut it, the labeling is deceptive.

 

[mrmiller96]

My favorite Flavor out of any eLiquid would be Square's 24mg King Tobacco flavor. I wish I could buy that from them in the bottle. They don't make their 24mg King that was an Auto style eCig.

I really liked Envy's tobacco eliquid, but it got to be too expensive for me, so I started DIY and tried to replicate it as closely as possible. Then my sense of smell and taste returned and I found an unused cart with their eliquid in it that I had lost and decided to try it out and see how closely I was able to match it, and it was then that I realized their eliquid tasted like old socks, where mine had evolved to become pretty tasty and enjoyable. It was an eye opener.

 

[jfjardine02]

sorry, there was (at least one!) typo in that last post by me...should have estimated blood nic concentration from a single puffing session on disposable ecig as around 1-2 ng/ml (not mg/ml)..but basically not in the same ballpark as a single cigarette.