Titanium coil builds

[Pete91]

Ive been doing some reading about titanium wire and different ways to build your coils. Some say you want them spaced to keep your temp control consistent. Others say it doesn't matter and you can build your coils not spaced. I know there are threads that talk a lot about titanium in general. But I'm not reading 100+ pages to see if I can find the answer I'm looking for.

I'm hoping people will post pictures of their builds and say why they did it this way. And how well it work in, or for some people out of temp control.

 

[Pete91]

Also what temp do people use with mods that don't have a "titanium mode"

 

[Pete91]

Well I'll start, hoping others Join . I know my coils aren't perfect but I'm hoping others can give pointers on how to wrap these so they're more even. 26 gauge spider silk titanium wire. 10 wrap dual coil build at .28 ohms

 

[puffon]

I haven't wrapped Ti yet, but have wrapped Ni on 6-32 and 8-32 machine screws, to get the spacing even.
I've gotten lazy lately and just wrap them by "eye". I found as long as they are reasonably even spaced, and not touching, they vape the same.
The rule of thumb for temp, is set the Ti 100deg lower than a Ni setting.
You could do a dry cotton test, to find the best temp for your mod.

 

[Pete91]

The screw idea is great.I just notice that there are I guess hot spots if the coils are too close. The cotton gets a little darker in certain spots compared to other areas. And I worry about doing a dry cotton burn just because it is titanium. Last thing I want is for any titanium dioxide to build up.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Bumper Roonie.

 

[Bru2basics]

I stuck this in my tugboat and it's working well. It's 2 strand 26g twisted 9 wraps gr1 titanium.
Had to pulse it in a dark room in wattage just to check it was heating inside out. Gonna try a dual version next me thinks.

 

[Pete91]

I stuck this in my tugboat and it's working well. It's 2 strand 26g twisted 9 wraps gr1 titanium.
Had to pulse it in a dark room in wattage just to check it was heating inside out. Gonna try a dual version next me thinks.

I haven't tried a twisted build yet[emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

I could be wrong, but from what I've read. People are saying not to pulse it because it builds up titanium oxide. Did you notice any buildup after pulsing it?

Every build I have done has been spaced. From what I've read. That's the best way for the temp control to stay consistent. Are you running it in TC? and if so is it working well without being spaced?


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[Bru2basics]

Your right to say that Ti02 is bad but as long as you keep the watts really low when you pulse a contact ti coil you're fine, hence why I do it in a dark room so you can make out a very dull red glow as it starts to heat. Titanium wire will turn a straw and then blue colour long before it starts turning white.

As for stability I've been using this on a vtc mini in its dedicated ti mode and it has been fine but ramp up time till temperature protection kicks in is noticeably longer than with a spaced coil.

 

[Nibiru2012]

There is so much contradiction regarding Ti and Ni200 coil builds.
I read a lot of the posts about Ni200 and Ti and what I find is confusing at times. Some posters present threads which would rival a Phd dissertation while
others just present personal prejudices with no facts to back them.

Some claim Ni200 coils are toxic, yet the temperature required to reach the point where Ni200 vaporizes is never reached in a vaping coil, not even close.
Some emphatically state that Ni200 coils are dangerous, yet they don't provide any concrete facts supporting their stance.
There is too much disinformation regarding Ni200 coils. I use 26ga. wire for coils with a 3mm ID and they work very well. Plus I make sure the Kogi cotton
wick is just barely snug in the coil. This provides more than adequate juice flow.
For those allergic to nickel this I am able to relate to as I have allergies to certain pollens and mold spores.

Regarding Ti coils; some say to wrap spaced coils others say to make a compact tight coil.
I have built both types of Ti coils and it appears to me that the compact tight coils work better, for me at least, than the spaced coils.
When I built spaced coils the MOD would go into a severe pulse mode after a while and not really fire up well at all.
(Maybe it's the fault of the iPV4 MOD that I use.
When I built compact Ti coils I would do the required dry firing of the coil and "tickle it" to get the coil to glow from the center out.
It interesting to note that just a light stroking of the top of the coil with a mini screwdriver changes the coil from the legs to the center of it.
I fire at 10 watts since that's as low as my MOD will go.

All of this TC business is still really in it's infant stages and a lot more to be learned.
I don't believe Evolv would release a product requiring the use of Ni200 unless they'd done their research first.
(Evolv started this whole TC business and it's grown exponentially since.)

The next 12 months will be interesting indeed in this field.

 

[Nick N]

Agreed. Best bet is to buy a device that can have the firmware updated. Stainless and NiFe wires are now becoming popular.

 

[Bru2basics]

Thought I'd try something else in the tugboat as the twisted was slow to warm up.

26g ti gr1, 10 wraps 2.5mm, dual contact @ .20ohm and wicked with muji cotton.

Pleased with the results, much quicker to reach temp than the single twisted coil I had in her, good flavour and vapour ain't bad.

Thought I'd try a ti coil or 2 in the twisted messes clone.

26g gr1 ti, 9 wraps 3mm, 2 strand dual parallel comes in at .1ohm. Temp set at 230°c with 50w. Just simply amazing warm flavor and thick vapour. My favourite so far, just need some different wire gauges now to experiment with .

 

[Pete91]

I agree there are a lot of different opinions out there. That's why I was hoping to start a thread about titanium builds. Since everyone seems to have their own opinion. I've only done spaced coils so far. Kind of scared of developing any dioxide by pulsing the wire.

But as stated before. A dark room and low wattage on power mode seems like it would work well.

I think I'll try a compact coil next.

I can't seem to get my snow wolf to work well with ti. It always burns the cotton in certain spots. (In my aromamizer Rdta 300degrees at 50w) I have a very sensitive pallet. So as soon as it burns a little. (After 3or5 hits).I have to change out the wick. This might be due to the spaced could?

My Ipv d2 works great with my subtank mini. Never turns black like my snow wolf does.


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[Bru2basics]

I agree there are a lot of different opinions out there. That's why I was hoping to start a thread about titanium builds. Since everyone seems to have their own opinion. I've only done spaced coils so far. Kind of scared of developing any dioxide by pulsing the wire.

But as stated before. A dark room and low wattage on power mode seems like it would work well.

I think I'll try a compact coil next.

I can't seem to get my snow wolf to work well with ti. It always burns the cotton in certain spots. (In my aromamizer Rdta 300degrees at 50w) I have a very sensitive pallet. So as soon as it burns a little. (After 3or5 hits).I have to change out the wick. This might be due to the spaced could?

My Ipv d2 works great with my subtank mini. Never turns black like my snow wolf does.


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I read about a few people having issues with the snow wolf playing not playing nicely with ti wire but then my Mini had major issues with it before a firmware update. I agree that this tech is still in its infancy and the theory behind it is safer on the whole as long as you follow the basic principles. My personal feeling is that until we start seeing temp sensors mounted directly where the heat is generated then there are to many variables to account for. We need a better method that doesn't rely on taking miniscule measurements with great accuracy to produce safe results. This tech is supposed to make vaping safer and that's gonna attract more people to switch from tobacco but with all the pitfalls and intricacies of this system you couldn't recommend it to a new vaper which to me seems to defeat the purpose of it all just a bit. Apologies for rambling on a bit, back to my building

 

[Pete91]

I read about a few people having issues with the snow wolf playing not playing nicely with ti wire but then my Mini had major issues with it before a firmware update. I agree that this tech is still in its infancy and the theory behind it is safer on the whole as long as you follow the basic principles. My personal feeling is that until we start seeing temp sensors mounted directly where the heat is generated then there are to many variables to account for. We need a better method that doesn't rely on taking miniscule measurements with great accuracy to produce safe results. This tech is supposed to make vaping safer and that's gonna attract more people to switch from tobacco but with all the pitfalls and intricacies of this system you couldn't recommend it to a new vaper which to me seems to defeat the purpose of it all just a bit. Apologies for rambling on a bit, back to my building

Yea, I love the my snow wolf it's Easy to use/powerful. But when trying to build with titanium. It's been a bit frustrating.

I completely agree about people just starting out. I really enjoy the fact that I don't get burnt hits anymore. And I'm sure others would want the same starting out. But if I hadn't done my research. Been determined to get off of cigarettes. And actually enjoy building coils. I would have given up a while ago. It would be nice if a company could come up with something that is more convenient. Easy for beginners.

I know kangers new coils are made with nickel coils in them. But what about people like us that would like to use titanium.


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[WharfRat1976]

I got some .6mm TI wire from sweet spot vapors. Any recs for a first build on my ipv4s? Thank you.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Put a .3ohm, dual Ti build in a Mantav2. Using .6mm wire which is about 23g, 9/8 wrap, 3mmID. I pulsed at 10 watts very cautiously, tuned em up and wicked. I set resistance at .3ohms, 40 Jules at 400 degrees Farenheit. Killer vape. Tons of flavor and vapor. The atty does get extremely hot after awhile. Have no clue if it will go into dry hit mode if my coils dry up but I will test this feature at some point. Pretty good so far. Using sweet spot vapors Ti wire. .6mm.

 

[cheech226]

i purchased some .4 mm ti wire from sweet spots to use with my subtank mini on my koopor mini. 8 wraps @ 3 mm works good for me. i'm learning the fine points of wicking as i go. the koopor reads my ohms just what steam says it should be and at about 460 F i'm getting great hits.

 

[WiSK]

I agree there are a lot of different opinions out there. That's why I was hoping to start a thread about titanium builds. Since everyone seems to have their own opinion. I've only done spaced coils so far. Kind of scared of developing any dioxide by pulsing the wire.

Yeah a lot seems to be opinion. I can't find any actual experiments or videos showing white powder on coils. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.

I did try myself: held my breath, put a Ti coil on a mech and pulsed until it was bright orange. I went out the room before breathing in again, just in case. When I came back the ohms had doubled. When I touched the coil, it broke in one place. Couldn't see any white dust.

What I've been wondering: if we are doing spaced coils, why pulse at all? Just clean the wire with soapy water if worried about machine oil; wrap it, wick it and vape. It's in a TC device, then it will stay under 600F, which is a fraction of the temp needed to produce TiO2. So I've been doing that in my Goblin Mini these last weeks.

The wiki page on TiO2 suggests two main ways to produce it. One method is very very high temperatures with pure oxygen feed, and they start with 70% titanium dioxide ore. The second method is to boil titanium dioxide crystals in sodium hydroxide for 3 days, then in hydrochloric acid. On the wiki page of titanium itself, it says titanium needs 2190F to form the dioxide in air. So don't burn it with a lighter... but what kind of temperatures does it reach when you dry burn it by running current through it? I don't know...

Another thing: all the research I've read about danger of TiO2 is talking about nanoparticles in the dust in the air of factories where TiO2 is used in great quantities. Like paint factories. They are talking about exposure for workers in those factories. But any factories with any kind of dust tend to result in increased carcinogenic risk, so is TiO2 really the issue, or is it just the fact that it's nano-dust? Would a coating of TiO2 from pulsing Ti wires even result in nanoparticles? If so, can't you just wash the coils in isopropyl / rubbing alcohol or something?

 

[Pete91]

I've seen a couple where the coil does turn white. I believe it was on spider silks demo video. Maybe another I'm not 100% sure on that.

I get that the amounts of Ti02 has to be very high to really effect your health. But I quote smoking to do something somewhat healthier. Trying to be as safe as possible.

For pulsing the coils. I don't pulse my spaced coils. No real need to. But if you were to build a compact coil you'd need to check for hot spots by pulsing the wire.


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