The New Innokin IClear 16 B and D... Reviews 'Bad News!'

[OldSeer]

If your looking for a Large Cloud (at first) and flavor (if the e-juice has some)
you'll Know it from almost the very first vape...

But... I bought two and those are the last I'll buy.

This is do to Innokin's new style of bottom crossed (intersected) dual coils...
that are much better than coils stacked on top of one another when it comes
to boiling (vaporizing) e-juices... instead of like other coils that impede each others heating
pure action of the moisture fully getting to body of a complete coil.

But... unlike Apires... BDC heads that are incased within a chamber and never - THAT'S NEVER
get GUNKED... and properly cared for can last MONTHS... delivering full flavor and clouds...

These NEW Innokin's bottom dual coils 16 B and 30 B ...have their WICK exposed
and E-Liquids... (like other coils out there) can get to the COILS and become FRIED (stuck)
onto the COILS and from that point on from moment one the liquid is trying to boil around the coils
and never fully is it properly VAPORIZED up the channel shaft of the tanks.

Also the Innokin's 16 B you can not remove the DRIP TIP in order to clean the TANK.
They have a 16 D coming out with the same exact problem...
Except for the base to change the heads or add e-liquids they're all one single piece.

 

[LReyes66]

oh wow thought u were a huge supporter of the 16/30b just judging by your posts to them. Yeah i already have to RMA mine out but since im vacation cant do it yet. Not sure what my final verdict on them will be til i get a proper working one but when they did work the flavor and vapor was top notch. I have the smaller aspire bdc ce5 clearo i use with my evod vv pen but will be ordering the aspre bdc pyrex nova tank for my provari soon i guess.

 

[OldSeer]

oh wow thought u were a huge supporter of the 16/30b just judging by your posts to them. Yeah i already have to RMA mine out but since im vacation cant do it yet. Not sure what my final verdict on them will be til i get a proper working one but when they did work the flavor and vapor was top notch. I have the smaller aspire bdc ce5 clearo i use with my evod vv pen but will be ordering the aspre bdc pyrex nova tank for my provari soon i guess.

Don't get me wrong... when it come to Coils out there in the Vaping World
for Clearomizers and their ATTYs (heads)...
the people at Innokin have come up with a much better one
than most for their IClear 30 B... though I think the smaller one in the IClear 16 B
is even better...
Both are intersecting (crossed) bottom dual coiled heads.

Again, they're far superior to any other open facing WICKS sopping up e-juice
without any protection of their coils that lets the e-liquids burn right into and on the coils...
And.. in many CASES... LEAKS right DOWN thru the BOTTOM onto the contact point (pin)
of whatever MOD or battery including Twisters or Spinners being used...
This happen to USERS 10's of THOUSANDS of TIMES a DAY!!!!

If your WICKS are EXPOSED in your TANKS then YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!
The e-juice has a way to channel itself right down to the bottom of your MOD
and in many cases... whether you have it on or not. Just because the WICKS can be seen
is enough to know Trouble may be BREWING... YOUR WICKS, if you can see them????
Again, You have a problem!!!

There is a reason COILS and WICKS are MANUFACTURED this way... and it's $$$$$$$$$
They're made to fail... and if you haven't noticed lately... the prices are going UP!!!

Now, if you look around at some of the Vivi Nova... or Aspire BDC ... dual coil clearomizers
and check out that little head that sell in a 5 pack... you'll see that those dual coils at enclosed
in a CHAMBER... like a cartomizer... and when REALLY checking them out you'll find
they can last and last and last... and you can be getting the very BEST of FLAVOR
and CLOUDS that look like something out of a BEAUTIFUL dream... time and time again.

These Aspire BDC's head are getting harder and harder to purchase... many shortages are eventful.

 

[LReyes66]

So that's probably why mine seeps down to the battery contact. I love my aspire ce5 bdc but it seems like a lot of people have been getting failed aspire coils which I personally haven't witnessed

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[OldSeer]

So that's probably why mine seeps down to the battery contact. I love my aspire ce5 bdc but it seems like a lot of people have been getting failed aspire coils which I personally haven't witnessed

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There is a simple fix for any BDC aspire coil... that its pin will not make contact...
I ordered a half dozen Aspire CE 5-s very well knowing that their pins would not make
contact with the pin of my MVP 2.0... After they arrived I took a whole few short minutes
USING some sewing thread and placed it (wrapping it between the pin on the bottom of the coil)
and the rest of the head... then I tied it off... and cut the extra thread off... push the pin back..
and to date... all heads are working PERFECTLY... no problems whatsoever...

Anyone that ever has a head that is gurgling... if they'll remove that pin... soft and easy...
and blow thru the top of there head... that little hole at the top of the head...
they can get rid of e-juices that cause gurgling and leaking problems... then put the little pin back...
Taken care of... these head (attys) can last months....
see:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...thread-contact-clearomizer-mod-batteries.html

Believe me... there are 10's of thousands of people that do not know about the
sewing thread TIP... and they pull that pin out just a little
from their clearomizer bottom base.. time and again... and it goes
right back in... or they pull up the pin on their Mods or spinners and can ruin them.

 

[eda123]

Wow, OldSeer you were singing the praises of these not too long ago, now you dont like them? Just a week ago you were stating things like:

I'm really sorry about your bad experience... I'm having none... but the very best of experiences.
I have and am using 100% VG then 50/50 VG/PG and 80 PG/20VG and it doesn't matter
all are vaping much better with my Innokin's 30B's than with any of the many other Clearomizers
that I've used to date... and that's quite a few different ones.

Woke up this Christmas with Boba's Bounty being tested 100% vg for the 3rd day
in a Innokin IClear 30B... and just can't help believing these new engineered crossed coils
have something to do with the massive thunder CLOUDS of vaporization and choice flavor
that have been showing up since the first day I set this IClear 30B on my MVP 2.0.
I do think Innokin has a winner. They are a little expensive... but... the satisfaction is what
I have been reaching for in vaping.

So.. pardon my skepticism but I just am a little perplexed as to how this can be the end-all-be-all for you a week ago, now you are emphatic that there are some big issues that are all solved with some other tank... which you now praise with sensationalist hype. Should we wait a week and hear what is the new "BEST tank with CLOUDS OF THUNDEROUS VAPOR!"


Now to the post at hand----

If your WICKS are EXPOSED in your TANKS then YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!
The e-juice has a way to channel itself right down to the bottom of your MOD
and in many cases... whether you have it on or not. Just because the WICKS can be seen
is enough to know Trouble may be BREWING...

I cant disagree more. Leaking onto the mod pin is from improper sealing... either a faulty grommet or not being screwed down enough. Wicks have nothing to do with liquid seeping onto the mod contact pin. Please explain how any head regardless of wicking can get seepage if properly sealed?

instead of like other coils that impede each others heating
pure action of the moisture fully getting to body of a complete coil.

I read this several times and have no idea what you mean

BDC heads that are incased within a chamber and never - THAT'S NEVER
get GUNKED... and properly cared for can last MONTHS... delivering full flavor and clouds...

If this is true please tell me how mine get "gunk" on them just like any other head ive used. Also, ive had some last only 10 minutes before giving off an awful burnt taste (even at low wattage).

This happen to USERS 10's of THOUSANDS of TIMES a DAY!!!!

Thats a bit extreme and likely unfounded. Can you cite your source for this?

 

[OldSeer]

Wow, OldSeer you were singing the praises of these not too long ago, now you dont like them? Just a week ago you were stating things like:




So.. pardon my skepticism but I just am a little perplexed as to how this can be the end-all-be-all for you a week ago, now you are emphatic that there are some big issues that are all solved with some other tank... which you now praise with sensationalist hype. Should we wait a week and hear what is the new "BEST tank with CLOUDS OF THUNDEROUS VAPOR!"


Now to the post at hand----


I cant disagree more. Leaking onto the mod pin is from improper sealing... either a faulty grommet or not being screwed down enough. Wicks have nothing to do with liquid seeping onto the mod contact pin. Please explain how any head regardless of wicking can get seepage if properly sealed?



I read this several times and have no idea what you mean



If this is true please tell me how mine get "gunk" on them just like any other head ive used. Also, ive had some last only 10 minutes before giving off an awful burnt taste (even at low wattage).





Thats a bit extreme and likely unfounded. Can you cite your source for this?

On the Innokin's IClear 30 B's I ran into the wicks and coils falling short
of what I was hoping for... other than that... I have nothing more
I believe is necessary to share with your long winded whatever.

 

[eda123]

A bit different than a week ago...

the satisfaction is what I have been reaching for in vaping.

I'm having none... but the very best of experiences.

And today:

the wicks and coils are falling short of what I was hoping for

Everyones opinion changes, but give it some time before you praise it so heavily. It can mislead others to spend money but if they wait a week you will be praising some other head with glory. EVERY tank is easy to get good vapes on initially. I usually try them for a month or two before giving praise publicly

I have nothing more
I believe is necessary to share with your long winded whatever.

I thought so

 

[GoodNews!]

The one thing I have to say, if I'm understanding this thread correctly, is that wether the wicks are visible or not, that juice should travel to the coil in the same way. Wether in a Protank or iClear head, or an Aspire head, the set-up is virtually the same. In most devices, the heads use "slots" in their sides, where the wicks poke out, to protect the coil from getting juice inside the head (and if it gets inside there, that means it flooded). With these devices, the protection system is based on how you manipulate those slots, wether by adding or subtracting flavor wicks to make the slot diameters bigger or smaller.

With Aspire's heads, the heads are build somewhat like a hybrid head and cartomizer. The head is a small column, much like a dripping atomizer, with polyfil inside, and wicks that are sort of tucked into the polyfil, and this is idea is somehow supposed to allow juice to travel to the wicks (though I have a big theory that Aspire's heads are utter crap and that essentially the top wick doesn't soak up juice much at all, that Aspire should stick to making single-coils). In this case, the liquid travels through the holes in the metal casing, which cannot be changed in size, and essentially, it travels to the wick in the same way, though the polyfil may help prevent flooding with thicker juices. These heads do flood easy, though.

When comparing the Aspire to other systems, like the Protank, I can actually get a cleaner taste out of the Protank heads as long as I do a lot of fiddling with the flavor wicks. It's very hard to get a burnt taste from the Aspire heads, but to me, they always have a strong wicky taste that will not go away, and I blame this on a drier top coil, which, according to my inspections, doesn't wick as well because the top coil wick does not "tuck" all the way down into the polyfil and become level with the bottom holes - it's a bit like how a bottom-tank RDA wouldn't wick if the wick wasn't long enough to reach the juice. Polyfil itself isn't going to cause juice to travel at a fast enough rate to keep up with two coils, especially one that soaks up juice before the juice can get to the top tier coil.

In my review both visually and concerning taste, I feel strongly that the two wicks and two coils are fighting to get equal juice coverage, and if Aspire were to come out with a model that didn't have the top coil, and only had the bottom coil, I would try it in a heartbeat. But for dual coil systems, I think that the models like the iClear 30 or B, in all reality, have more sensible physics to back up the performance. I agree totally though, that beyond sensible physics, that I had a better result out of the Aspire than my test on an iClear 30. The iClear 30 tasted burnt very first hit, like I didn't have juice in the tank!

 

[OldSeer]

The one thing I have to say, if I'm understanding this thread correctly, is that wether the wicks are visible or not, that juice should travel to the coil in the same way. Wether in a Protank or iClear head, or an Aspire head, the set-up is virtually the same. In most devices, the heads use "slots" in their sides, where the wicks poke out, to protect the coil from getting juice inside the head (and if it gets inside there, that means it flooded). With these devices, the protection system is based on how you manipulate those slots, wether by adding or subtracting flavor wicks to make the slot diameters bigger or smaller.

With Aspire's heads, the heads are build somewhat like a hybrid head and cartomizer. The head is a small column, much like a dripping atomizer, with polyfil inside, and wicks that are sort of tucked into the polyfil, and this is idea is somehow supposed to allow juice to travel to the wicks (though I have a big theory that Aspire's heads are utter crap and that essentially the top wick doesn't soak up juice much at all, that Aspire should stick to making single-coils). In this case, the liquid travels through the holes in the metal casing, which cannot be changed in size, and essentially, it travels to the wick in the same way, though the polyfil may help prevent flooding with thicker juices. These heads do flood easy, though.

When comparing the Aspire to other systems, like the Protank, I can actually get a cleaner taste out of the Protank heads as long as I do a lot of fiddling with the flavor wicks. It's very hard to get a burnt taste from the Aspire heads, but to me, they always have a strong wicky taste that will not go away, and I blame this on a drier top coil, which, according to my inspections, doesn't wick as well because the top coil wick does not "tuck" all the way down into the polyfil and become level with the bottom holes - it's a bit like how a bottom-tank RDA wouldn't wick if the wick wasn't long enough to reach the juice. Polyfil itself isn't going to cause juice to travel at a fast enough rate to keep up with two coils, especially one that soaks up juice before the juice can get to the top tier coil.

In my review both visually and concerning taste, I feel strongly that the two wicks and two coils are fighting to get equal juice coverage, and if Aspire were to come out with a model that didn't have the top coil, and only had the bottom coil, I would try it in a heartbeat. But for dual coil systems, I think that the models like the iClear 30 or B, in all reality, have more sensible physics to back up the performance. I agree totally though, that beyond sensible physics, that I had a better result out of the Aspire than my test on an iClear 30. The iClear 30 tasted burnt very first hit, like I didn't have juice in the tank!

Huh?......

 

[OldSeer]

Huh?......

In the Aspire BDC's there are NO wicks soaking in any poly whatever
they set independently of one another crossing each other (intersecting one another)
inside the enclosed chamber...

To see this ... if you want to rebuild the coils... all you have to do...
is take the tank off of its base....
then screw the base on to a MOD
the carefully.. with a pair of pliers
rock the chamber (little tank) back and forth
and it will come off... allowing you access to the coils
and you then can REBUILD the coils if you chose....
or at least inspect... what I share above....

....I have shared in the past that these Aspire BDC Automizers were not rebuildable but I was wrong
as you can see with the information I just share above....

 

[eda123]

Here are two pictures of coils from used Aspire heads.




As you can see, not being able to see the wicks doesnt prevent them from gunking up. The one of the coils pulled off the head you can see these are almost covered completely in gunk. The ones still installed in the head are about half as bad- but still gunked. Both of these had a week or less on them.

They still have wicks, and these wicks are enclosed in a thin cylinder of polyfill. They are not immune to gunking, flooding, gurgling, etc like any other clearo. Doesnt make them bad, just want to make sure people dont expect a head to last them months without any issues.

 

[OldSeer]

Here are two pictures of coils from used Aspire heads.

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As you can see, not being able to see the wicks doesnt prevent them from gunking up. The one of the coils pulled off the head you can see these are almost covered completely in gunk. The ones still installed in the head are about half as bad- but still gunked. Both of these had a week or less on them.

They still have wicks, and these wicks are enclosed in a thin cylinder of polyfill. They are not immune to gunking, flooding, gurgling, etc like any other clearo. Doesnt make them bad, just want to make sure people dont expect a head to last them months without any issues.

Hm? Those are some pretty nice looking coils for the heats you claim you start out at
and burn your e-liquids at... you ought to be pretty darn proud of yourself...
those small wicks are looking pretty darn good so close to the coils... and looking down
into the chamber you can even... still see the coils... try that with open (not enclosed) coils that have
been burning fluids (e-juices dark or light) direct for as long as you claim you have... been burning e-juices on those coils..
they look just like coils that I've been burning fluids (e-juices) on for a month... no differences whatsoever...
go figure!

 

[eda123]

hahaha yeah they wear out pretty quick. I havent been able to get more than a week out of one.

My PT3 heads have been lasting about the same, slightly longer- 1 to 1.5 weeks. And they end up looking just like these. But with the PT3 i dont have to pull the center pin down, or deal with flooding/gurgling (they have stuffed so much damn wick in the PT3 heads, ive yet to flood one since around early Dec).

 

[OldSeer]

hahaha yeah they wear out pretty quick. I havent been able to get more than a week out of one.

My PT3 heads have been lasting about the same, slightly longer- 1 to 1.5 weeks. And they end up looking just like these. But with the PT3 i dont have to pull the center pin down, or deal with flooding/gurgling (they have stuffed so much damn wick in the PT3 heads, ive yet to flood one since around early Dec).

You got me laughing with the stuffed with wicks...
I just cut off a 1/2 inch of wicks from a new (now old fashion) Iclear 16
and put in some E-juice called NicQuid... don't remember who sent it
to me to test... shame on me... gulp

But... with the shorten wicks... whew... didn't realize the juice was 24mg Tobacco spiked
and that little tank KICKED like a MULE... dazzzzzzed me it did... wow!
anyway... Glad you found something that keeps you happy...
have a great day!

 

[eda123]

Ya, I once tried 24mg in a store testing a flavor and it knocked me on my ....!!! I'm too used to 12mg