Panasonic NCR18650B Super Max 3.7V 3400mAh Rechargeable Li-ion Battery

[robcope]

Ok, I'm frustrated, uhg. I read one review and it seems a great decision, I read another and OMG don't buy them. I have been out of the battery search for a while because I have been using my MVP v2 more than any of my other gear. I am just trying to figure out if these batteries will work well in my soon to arrive SVD. I want the comfort of the higher mah. I usually vape using the MVP and protanks with 2.2 ohm to 2.5 ohm coils. I have read all the reviews and read the charts and based on my vaping habits, it seems to be a good fit.

Please give opinions on this battery in an itaste SVD?

Thanks, sorry if I seem frustrated.

 

[The Ministry]

I bought this for my Vamo V5.

Firstly, it works. And seems to last far longer than my CGR18650CH (both)

I've been told it's not a high drain battery which can cause problems depending on your setup.

I've personally had no issues with a regulated mod although most experts here recommend against using them due to the amp limitation.

No doubt someone more educated will fill in the major gaps in my knowledge

 

[The Ministry]

See here for more info

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...68-bartteres-heads-battered-sheer-choice.html

 

[Keynith]

You can get the panasonic 18650 2900mah. they are high drain lipo and have a 10a limit. I am currently using those with my hana and have some efest 2500mah 35a purples coming. honestly, if you have 2+ of them, i wouldnt worry about getting the highest mah rated battery, because 2900mah is like two days use and unless your going out on some boat and cant carry a charger or another battery, you dont need that much power. I just swap em out when it gets a tad low, and charge the other (which takes 3-4 hours to charge) and use the other one and the one i swap it with won't need to be recharged before the other gets juiced up again on the charger.

 

[dhaiken]

I have been using them in my SVD for 3 months. Vape about 8 watts, up to 10 on 1.8-2.2ohm heads.
Work flawlessly & last a long time.

 

[djcpe]

I've been using the Panasonics you mention in my SVD since November '13 and NEVER had any problems. I own 5 of these batteries and also use them with my Nemesis and and VTR. I think they're great batteries! (Flat tops...)

 

[robcope]

Thanks, that is what I am going to use them for and 6.8 amps is more than I need. I don't sub ohm.

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[Baditude]

The Panasonic/Orbtronic NCR18650PD or PF 2900mAh battery is the better suited battery for regulated mods. 2900mAh capacity, high drain capability and 10 amps.


The Panasonic/Orbtronic NCR18650B 3400mAh battery is a hybrid battery whose chemistry is heavily weighted to the ICR end of the scale, making it NOT a high drain battery with high internal resistance and with only a 6.8 amp continuous discharge rate. These will work fine in a mechanical mod using factory built coils. They are not the ideal battery for regulated mods, or a mechanical mod using a Kick or Rebuildable Atomizer. These batteries are essentially ICR batteries for all practical purposes, and are best suited for low drain applications such as flashlights.

The reason is regulated mods use PWM (pulse width modulation) to make voltage output higher than 3.7 volts. The voltage that you set your mod to is the "mean voltage", all the while the processor must make pulse currents which can demand up to 9 amps from the battery. What really hurts this battery in high drain applications is its high internal resistance. Higher internal resistance cells will not perform to the level of true high drain batteries and therefore reduce the mod's overall performance when used.

If a battery has a higher internal resistance it will drop more voltage when current is taken out and as a result the regulated mod will indicate it is at end of charge when it could have a significant amount of capacity remaining. What good is this capacity (3400mAh) if it cannot be utilized by the regulated mod? It is of no use, so why use it? There are better batteries available.

This has been explained by the tech engineers of Provape. The Provari uses PWM just like any other regulated mod does. I posed a question to Provape about how a 6 amp IMR battery like the AW 18350 could adequately power the Mini Provari, and they responded back with the following statement:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/524874-question-tech-engineers-provape.html

Take from this information what you want. As others here have said, they have been using the Panny 3400mAh batteries with no issues, but theoretically these are not the ideal battery for a regulated mod. For the best performance, the Panny NCR18650PF or PD 2900mAh batteries are the best choice.

 

[DaveP]

Baditude beat me to it! He's the battery guy around here, anyway.

It's a lithium ion protected cell. The CH version is the safer one for VV/VW mods.

 

[Baditude]

Baditude beat me to it! He's the battery guy around here, anyway.

It's a lithium ion protected cell. The CH version is the safer one for VV/VW mods.

Technically, the Panasonic NCR18650B is not a protected cell, but Orbtronics uses the same cell in their version and offers it as either a protected or unprotected battery. As I said before, this battery is a hybrid battery with the chemistry heavily weighted pratically speaking as an ICR chemistry battery.

The NCR18650CH is a hybrid battery with its chemistry more heavily weighted the other way to the IMR side of the fence.

The PD and PF Panny's are in the middle of the pack chemistry-wise with the best high drain, mAH capacity, and amps combination.

Battery Chemistry Profile​

IMR (AW) <<< IMR/Hybrid (Panasonic CH) <<< (Panasonic PF/PD} >>> ICR/Hybrid (Panasonic B) >>> ICR Li-ion

high drain low resistance..................................................................low drain high resistance

 

[Lexx]

The Panasonic/Orbtronic NCR18650PD or PF 2900mAh battery is the better suited battery for regulated mods. 2900mAh capacity, high drain capability and 10 amps.


The Panasonic/Orbtronic NCR18650B 3400mAh battery is a hybrid battery whose chemistry is heavily weighted to the ICR end of the scale, making it NOT a high drain battery with high internal resistance and with only a 6.8 amp continuous discharge rate. These will work fine in a mechanical mod using factory built coils. They are not the ideal battery for regulated mods, or a mechanical mod using a Kick or Rebuildable Atomizer. These batteries are essentially ICR batteries for all practical purposes, and are best suited for low drain applications such as flashlights.

The reason is regulated mods use PWM (pulse width modulation) to make voltage output higher than 3.7 volts. The voltage that you set your mod to is the "mean voltage", all the while the processor must make pulse currents which can demand up to 9 amps from the battery. What really hurts this battery in high drain applications is its high internal resistance. Higher internal resistance cells will not perform to the level of true high drain batteries and therefore reduce the mod's overall performance when used.

If a battery has a higher internal resistance it will drop more voltage when current is taken out and as a result the regulated mod will indicate it is at end of charge when it could have a significant amount of capacity remaining. What good is this capacity (3400mAh) if it cannot be utilized by the regulated mod? It is of no use, so why use it? There are better batteries available.

This has been explained by the tech engineers of Provape. The Provari uses PWM just like any other regulated mod does. I posed a question to Provape about how a 6 amp IMR battery like the AW 18350 could adequately power the Mini Provari, and they responded back with the following statement:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/524874-question-tech-engineers-provape.html

Take from this information what you want. As others here have said, they have been using the Panny 3400mAh batteries with no issues, but theoretically these are not the ideal battery for a regulated mod. For the best performance, the Panny NCR18650PF or PD 2900mAh batteries are the best choice.

Got a couple of these NCR pannys for a good price so thought I'd try them. They perform well although as discussed by yourself and the links quoted I cannot use their full capacity. Basically they work as a higher capacity efest 18350 800mah, in that, at 0.8 ohm I am working at the skinny end of their design limits. I only run them down to around 3.6v and am happy with that.
Neither would be suitable for anything lower though.

 

[DaveP]

Technically, the Panasonic NCR18650B is not a protected cell, but Orbtronics uses the same cell in their version and offers it as either a protected or unprotected battery. As I said before, this battery is a hybrid battery with the chemistry heavily weighted pratically speaking as an ICR chemistry battery.

The NCR18650CH is a hybrid battery with its chemistry more heavily weighted the other way to the IMR side of the fence.

The PD and PF Panny's are in the middle of the pack chemistry-wise with the best high drain, mAH capacity, and amps combination.

Battery Chemistry Profile​

IMR (AW) <<< IMR/Hybrid (Panasonic CH) <<< (Panasonic PF/PD} >>> ICR/Hybrid (Panasonic B) >>> ICR Li-ion

high drain low resistance..................................................................low drain high resistance

It looks very similar in composition to the Efest hybrids I bought a couple of days ago.
Efest IMR 18650 V2 2250mah with button top

Efest IMR 18650 HD 2250mAh Button Top 3.7V Rechargeable Battery

Hybrid IMR High Drain LiMh/Li-Ion Battery
10A Max discharge current
Assembled in China/Cell made in Japan

Attention : These IMR cells have much lower internal resistance than regular LiIon 3.7V cells and they may end up with a higher ending voltage when charged in certain chargers. Please check the voltage of them right out of the charger to see if they are above 4.20V when fully charged with your charger. Overcharging above 4.25V may shorten life/cycles. Above 4.50V may even pop them or making them leak. DO NOT use the charger if it seems to overcharge IMR cells.

Mine came off the charger at 4.1v measured under load on my Provari and 4.2v no load measured with my VOM. The Nitecore I4 reads them correctly. I got about 22 clock hours vaping from the first one, although it was a rather light vape day. I was busy and not just sitting around puffing and watching the tube.

 

[GeorgeIIII]

I have an MVP II w/Pro-Tank II... was my primary setup for the longest time. Got a VTR, and was my first mod that used replaceable batteries. So, being the newb that I am, I purchased the Panasonic 18650b (2 of them) and used them in my VTR for a few months. My mileage seemed to depend on how heavy I vaped moreso than voltage or wattage. I'm a heavy vaper, and so I was having to swap out the battery once or twice a day, until I settled into a more manageable routine. Now, I have a Vamo V5, and while it IS the best mod on the market (my 2 cents), it does seem to eat up my batteries. I have to swap out at least once a day, usually two, although I haven't really pushed the batteries to their limits. One thing I've noticed on the V5, is that the body and the batteries get hot really fast if you start vaping in the double digits (wattage-wise).
Since I don't have experience with other batteries of this kind, it's hard to say. I'm hearing that the IMR's despite being lower mah, tend to last longer since they're high drain. I couldn't say. Personally, I've never had a problem out of my Panasonic's, and they're still delivering decent power after two months of heavy daily usage. One note though... these batteries are NOT protected, so don't use them in a mech mod! The VTR, MVP, and Vamo's (most regular APV's) have built in protections for the unit, so this isn't necessarily a concern. Just know that if you ever decide to go mechanical, you won't be able to roll these into that kind of a setup... you'll have to buy IMR's.
Main reason I bought these, was because of the fact that Lion batts don't have the memory problems associated with nickel cadium and similar. Even so, the Lion's don't always offer a smooth power curve, and so you don't always get the maximum performance from your battery. The Panasonic 18650b supposedly solves this problem. Like I said, they've performed well for me. Hope this helps.

 

[DaveP]

Lithium ion cells are subject to violent failure mode when shorted or overheated. IMR batteries are more forgiving, but can still produce high heat and smoke when shorted. A VV/VW mod will offer short protection that shuts down immediately when a short or overcurrent situation arises. Mechanical mods need protected batteries, along with sacrificial battery springs that sag under heat and/or fuses that pop when a situation arises that stress the batteries too far.

 

[Myk]

It's what comes as an option with an eVic. eVic is where mine are used and I haven't had any problems. As was said above it depends on how you use them.
An SVD with it's low ohm limit may be able to push one beyond its specs, but at the ohms you say you use it shouldn't be a problem.
Because of the safety features on the NCRs I don't think you'd have a safety issue going beyond the limits but battery life would be destroyed.

Note the above warning about 'continuous' rating. VV/VW have a time limit, they never run continuous. Intermittent drain is about twice what continuous is.

Bottom line, it's a safe battery, it has limits that you could probably hit with a .8Ω/5a VV/VW.

 

[Daddy dan123]

Phew glad I didn't get them. May I ask if there is a long lasting battery I should get that's a higher mah than the vtc5s. I use both mech and vv/vw. Panzer clone and svd. And my svd I use a igo-l single coil 1.3 ohm and te panzer I use a .66 dual coil atomic clone. I just rarely go past 3.8 and I have 1600 mah red efest 18650 and sony vtc5 18650 2600 mah and want something that'll last awhile especially with my panzer set up. Lol I have never had a battery go past 3.8. Cuz i dont know if I'm just afraid or....... Lol.

 

[Baditude]

Phew glad I didn't get them. May I ask if there is a long lasting battery I should get that's a higher mah than the vtc5s. I use both mech and vv/vw. Panzer clone and svd. And my svd I use a igo-l single coil 1.3 ohm and te panzer I use a .66 dual coil atomic clone. I just rarely go past 3.8 and I have 1600 mah red efest 18650 and sony vtc5 18650 2600 mah and want something that'll last awhile especially with my panzer set up. Lol I have never had a battery go past 3.8. Cuz i dont know if I'm just afraid or....... Lol.

If you are doing sub-ohm coils, you need a 30 amp battery. The Sony vtc5 2600mah 30 amp battery is the top battery on the market for both high mah and high amps.

 

[Daddy dan123]

Thank you. After five months of dripping with the igo I decided to make a move and switch it all up. Even going from 18mg nic with mouth to lung to 6mg nicotine and straight lung. Not sure if I really like it yet and I really appreciate you answering and all the stuff I read on battery safety you have wrote. Thank you

 

[fjgotgame24]

Wait so whats the safest, longest lasting battery for me to use in a DNA 30, pumping around 15 watts or 3.5~4.0 volts? I thought it was a lock with the Panasonic NCR18650B's.

 

[Baditude]

Wait so whats the safest, longest lasting battery for me to use in a DNA 30, pumping around 15 watts or 3.5~4.0 volts? I thought it was a lock with the Panasonic NCR18650B's.

The manufacturer of the DNA chip, Evolv, recommends a high drain battery with at least 12 amps continuous discharge rate.

The Panasonic ncr18650B batteries only have a 6.8 amp continuous discharge rate, just half the requirement of the DNA chip. This battery was not designed for high power output applications like a regulated mod. It was designed for flashlights.

Any IMR or IMR/hybrid battery with 12 amps or higher continuous discharge rate can be used in a DNA regulated mod. The higher the mAh the longer it should last on a charge.

Battery Basics for Mods

Sony 18650VTC5 2600mAh 30 amp
Orbtronic 18650 2500mAh 21A
Samsung INR18650-25R 2500mAh 20A
Efest purple 18650 2500mAh 35A* (rebranded LG18650HE2 2500mAh 20 amp*)