Oliver Twist (chewing tobacco)

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Kitabz

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To add yet another choice to the range of smokeless tobacco products, I decided to order some Oliver Twist pellets from Northerner along with a snus order.

Unlike snus but like nasal snuff, chewing tobacco is actually legal to buy in this country (UK) presumably because it existed here before the EU restrictions were put in place. Not all of the flavours are easy to find though so I decided to order the bergamot flavour from Northerner because it's one I can't find here.

According to the company's website and other sources, here are some stats about this particular product:

Nicotine: ~5-6mg per pellet
Absorbtion: between 20% and 80% depending on time and whether the user chews each piece or not
TSNA: ~2-3 ppm, about the same as Swedish snus
Time: about 60 minutes per pellet

First off, the tin that the product comes in is very small, much smaller that I expected.
Here is a size comparison relative to a can of Ettan White portions:

OTCanVsEttan.jpg


The can is made of metal (steel) and is not air tight.
The lid slides off to reveal an inner vacuum packed pouch containing about 30 very small pellets:

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Once this inner pouch is opened the pellets can be removed but they're very tightly packed so they should keep fairly fresh and moist.

Here is a size comparison with an Ettan white regular sized portion:

OTPieceVsEttan.jpg


The idea behind these pellets is not that they're put in place like a snus portion or loose snus and then left alone (although you can of course do this). Their mode of use is to place them initially between the cheek and gum and then every so often squeeze the piece between the teeth to release some more flavour/nicotine. Like Stonewalls there is no particular "default" location to put each pellet so I started further back but as time went on I came to prefer the front like snus (but this could just be habit).

They don't have a particularly strong smell but the taste when I first put one in was striking. Very strong and to me very much like real black licorice but I suspect that it's actually strong tobacco that I'm tasting. The overall flavour is not unlike LD Black snus.

Apparently bergamot is the flavouring used in Earl Grey tea (which I didn't know until yesterday) but I've never been reminded of that tea when using bergamot flavoured snus. These do however remind me of the flavour of Earl Grey tea although it's somewhat muted under the strong licorice taste.

The pellets are quite hard initially so they're not exactly comfortable (a bit like Stonewalls in that regard) but they do soften up a little with some time and chewing. Indeed compared to snus, that is one aspect I really quite like - the chewing. Although it's easy to move a snus pouch around that can make them a little slimy so I tend to leave them alone. With these pellets though I feel free to move them around, chew them a little bit, whatever. They're much like how you're supposed to use nicotine gum - chew for a bit and then put it to the side for a while. If I had to choose between the gum and the twists, I know which one I'd pick!

The taste doesn't really diminish much over time and other than softening, they don't change physically at all. After removal, after an hour or so, it looked pretty much the same as it did at the start.

Would I order it again? Probably not the bergamot flavour but I'm keen to try the one called "Arctic" which I think is some kind of fresh mint or maybe the eucalyptus and both of those I can easily source in this country.

Should the time ever come when the importation of snus from Sweden is banned then I would happily switch entirely to this product. I can see me using these alongside snus from now on; they're quite different to snus and I like the different type of flavour/texture.
 

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glad to hear this review of the Oliver Twist tobacco bits. Last time I was in a Chicago head shop, they had a display case filled with Oliver Twist, but the display was covered in dust. The employee actually gave me a tin of the Sunberry for free since nobody ever bought them, but unfortunately they were expired by TWO YEARS! I never tried them due to the expiration date, but I might get a fresh tin next time I see one!
 

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The employee actually gave me a tin of the Sunberry for free since nobody ever bought them, but unfortunately they were expired by TWO YEARS! I never tried them due to the expiration date, but I might get a fresh tin next time I see one!

I'd probably have tried them anyway :oops:
They're vacuum sealed so they probably last much longer than the declared date. As an aside, since these and snus both come from Europe, the phrase "Best before" just means exactly that - it doesn't mean "don't use after".
We have a different phrase for that ("Use by") which applies to products - mainly meat & dairy - that would be unsafe after a certain date. If your snus goes beyond the best before date, it's still safe to use.

Kitabz, Now I know why you said 'Oliver Twist' might have it's own thread last night.

Hope it wasn't too long! I thought it would be easier to find for new visitors to our little corner.

Huuh. I'm sorta interested now. This would be the most up-beat post I've seen. I might throw a tin in my next Northerner order.....gearing for PactAct ya know.....:-x!!

Definitely worth a try I'd say!

I assuming there is no spitting involved. [...] Sounds interesting, but I aien't gonna do no spitten.

No spitting at all, even I draw the line there.

So would the oliver twists be affected by the ......ed piece of crap pact act?

Yes, they are tobacco products so they would be treated like all the other products.
Sadly, I think they also come under the other law which is either under consideration or has passed (I can't remember) - the one about flavourings being restricted. Come to think of it, that might have been only for cigarettes, I'm not sure.
 

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Every other order or so from Northerner, I pick up a tin of Oliver Twist. I think I've tried all of the flavors and only Wintergreen made me seriously nauseous to the point that I actually threw away the tin (unheard of for cheap me).

To me, these seem to deliver nicotine faster than anything this side of a cigarette. I was impressed with the low TSNA levels, no spitting (never, ever use anything you must spit), and the variety of flavors. I am not at all impressed by the increased prices that followed various lawsuit damage awards against tobacco companies. These bits are expensive!

There is also something called the Picarelli, which is just like OT but cheaper. And it's not as good. Picarellis tend to fall to pieces quickly and you end up with tobacco bits in your mouth.

In Sweden, General markets bits -- and we hope they will export these to the U.S. and stock them in their warehouse.

OT is not a daily "must have" on my list, but sometimes I just want the taste and feel of tobacco. That's when I reach for the OT tin (the little pellets dry out very fast after the tinfoil is opened).

My local tobacco shop stocked these about four years ago, and that's where I got started with them. Unfortunately, no one else bought them, so the owner no longer orders OT. So I order online. And, yes, I think PACT will slam these into oblivion.
 

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I'm not financially able to buy lifetime supplies of anything, Wiz. In fact, I now buy Stonewalls weekly at a local tobacco shop.

My store should be able to obtain them, no matter what PACT or any other act does. The idea seems to be to drive all us tobacco users to a local store, where we can shell out full taxes to state and federal governments.

I don't expect Stonewalls to disappear -- unless some zealot legislator decides they are "tobacco candy" that should be outlawed.
 

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OT's have been around since I was a kid. Thats a long time too.........
When I tried them licorice was the only flavor locally in the 1 tobacco shop we used to have 25 mi from here.....sigh........
They were in a larger celophane wrapped tin and abt 3" long twisted strips. Not the pretty sealed bits as I see in the pics.
Cutting a bit off with scissors was by far the easiest. Tough as leather in a few days if not used.
I never gave them another thought after that poor experience.
Glad to see they expanded their flavors though.
 

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Kitabz, TB, Vaporer and All, Just got my Northerner order of Oliver Twists a few minutes ago and now I'm in trouble. :D

I opened the Oliver Twist Tropical and they are good, really good. Tasted just like a piece of licorice, no reminder of tobacco taste. In fact, they hit me like a piece of licorice candy and I ended up swallowing a fourth of it...forgetting it's tobacco.

Nicotine - yes and real fast like TB said. I was surprised something so, so small brought me close to hick ups and it addressed the cravings.

I did think to put a piece of scotch tape on the package, so it doesn't dry out.

So the problem is the cost and not sure how many more of them I'll be ordering. They sure are good...at least the Tropical is, I still have the others to try.

Got a question and I may be way off base....Mr.Snuff has a black twist made for pipes or chewing Kendal Black Twist Tobacco that is cheap.

Do you think this is in the same ballpark as the Oliver Twist that's cut up? And maybe add some flavoring of choice? Or maybe it's two entirely different 'twists'? WDYT?
(Oh, I did google and try to find reviews and still just not sure)
 

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Kitabz, TB, Vaporer and All, Just got my Northerner order of Oliver Twists a few minutes ago and now I'm in trouble. :D

I opened the Oliver Twist Tropical and they are good, really good. Tasted just like a piece of licorice, no reminder of tobacco taste. In fact, they hit me like a piece of licorice candy and I ended up swallowing a fourth of it...forgetting it's tobacco.

Nicotine - yes and real fast like TB said. I was surprised something so, so small brought me close to hick ups and it addressed the cravings.

I did think to put a piece of scotch tape on the package, so it doesn't dry out.

So the problem is the cost and not sure how many more of them I'll be ordering. They sure are good...at least the Tropical is, I still have the others to try.

Got a question and I may be way off base....Mr.Snuff has a black twist made for pipes or chewing Kendal Black Twist Tobacco that is cheap.

Do you think this is in the same ballpark as the Oliver Twist that's cut up? And maybe add some flavoring of choice? Or maybe it's two entirely different 'twists'? WDYT?
(Oh, I did google and try to find reviews and still just not sure)

Glad you like them!

I also got a near hiccup with the first one but not any subsequent ones which I why I didn't mention it. I wasn't sure if it was the nicotine or the very strong taste that caused it.

I haven't had the Kendal black twist but a long time ago I did try a Kendal sweet apple twist and I wouldn't put it in the same category as Oliver Twist (although technically it is, they're both chewing tobacco). Apart from the taste - which admittedly was very good although sweet - the piece of "rope" from which the Kendal twist had been cut was much thicker than the ones that OTs seem to be made from.

The Kendal twist's rope was about the thickness of a large cigar (and about an inch long). That meant that after cutting bits off, the piece being used had a tendency to fall apart into individual leaves. The OTs seem to be spun much thinner so that they more-or-less stay together. But if loose leaves don't bother you then you may get on fine with the Kendal.
 

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Glad you like them!

I also got a near hiccup with the first one but not any subsequent ones which I why I didn't mention it. I wasn't sure if it was the nicotine or the very strong taste that caused it.

I haven't had the Kendal black twist but a long time ago I did try a Kendal sweet apple twist and I wouldn't put it in the same category as Oliver Twist (although technically it is, they're both chewing tobacco). Apart from the taste - which admittedly was very good although sweet - the piece of "rope" from which the Kendal twist had been cut was much thicker than the ones that OTs seem to be made from.

The Kendal twist's rope was about the thickness of a large cigar (and about an inch long). That meant that after cutting bits off, the piece being used had a tendency to fall apart into individual leaves. The OTs seem to be spun much thinner so that they more-or-less stay together. But if loose leaves don't bother you then you may get on fine with the Kendal.

Kitabz, Thanks, actually the Apple looks pretty good and I see they have other flavors. Hmmm, I might give them a try.

Thanks for the link and all the information. Yes, I'm going to put that on my list. :D
 
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