No More Flavored Ejuice in NY...? What about...

[jwbaccaro]

Hello everybody. I have a question. I know NY has a flavor ban, and it went into effect May 18, 2020, and I just realized I can't even order anything from another state because I live in NY. I thought I had until July 1'st. I don't know where the hell my head was...

Anyway, is it legal for a friend from another state to send you flavored e juice as a GIFT by mail, or is that also banned?

 

[Izan]

Hello everybody. I have a question. I know NY has a flavor ban, and it went into effect May 18, 2020, and I just realized I can't even order anything from another state because I live in NY. I thought I had until July 1'st. I don't know where the hell my head was...

Anyway, is it legal for a friend from another state to send you flavored e juice as a GIFT by mail, or is that also banned?

Vendors may not offer the product for sale nor ship to NY.

Private citizens are not vendors.

Follow the letter of the law.

Cheers
I

 

[jwbaccaro]

Vendors may not offer the product for sale nor ship to NY.

Private citizens are not vendors.

Follow the letter of the law.

Cheers
I

So, it's okay for my friend to send me some flavored liquid? Man, that would be great! And the post office shouldn't have a problem with it since it's a GIFT.

 

[Izan]

IMO,
If the sender is not a business, private mail is private. (federal law applies, not state)

HTH
I

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Have you considered DIY?

 

[Izan]

Have you considered DIY?

Agree...
Food flavoring is not prohibited.
Perfumer's Apprentice

Cheers
I

 

[PeterKay]

Hello everybody. I have a question. I know NY has a flavor ban, and it went into effect May 18, 2020, and I just realized I can't even order anything from another state because I live in NY. I thought I had until July 1'st. I don't know where the hell my head was...

Anyway, is it legal for a friend from another state to send you flavored e juice as a GIFT by mail, or is that also banned?

Like someone said, I think you should consider diy. You can get yourself many flavor concentrates and refrigerate them. PG, VG and Nic should always be available. That way you will be sorted for a long time, even if they ban flavours in all states... 100ml of flavor concentrate makes minimum 500ml liquid at 20% but some folks do 15% or even 10%.

 

[Izan]

Like someone said, I think you should consider diy. You can get yourself many flavor concentrates and refrigerate them. PG, VG and Nic should always be available. That way you will be sorted for a long time, even if they ban flavours in all states... 100ml of flavor concentrate makes minimum 500ml liquid at 20% but some folks do 15% or even 10%.

Domestic Nicotine concentrate IS going away.
Run, Don't walk.

cheers
I

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Nic should always be available

Not likely. It is defined as a "tobacco product".
In the USA, it will either be heavily restricted or taxed at $3,000.00 per liter (that's the right amount of zeros, not a type). And that's at the federal level.

 

[Territoo]

Not likely. It is defined as a "tobacco product".
In the USA, it will either be heavily restricted or taxed at $3,000.00 per liter (that's the right amount of zeros, not a type). And that's at the federal level.

Call me an optimist, but that federal bill has little chance of passing this year. Although it has passed the House, it is currently sitting on McCarthy's desk with a zillion other bills, while Congress deal with stimulus bill after stimulus bill. Even if it does come before the Republican-controlled Senate, it's not likely to pass. If it does pass, President Trump has already said he would veto it. There are not enough Democrats in the House to overturn a veto. Come December when Congress adjourns, the bill is dead in the water. They have to start over.

Now this is the Federal level. The states can do what they want.

BTW, I'm not being partisan here. That's how it passed in the House, with Democrats for it and Republicans against.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Demicans love tax money just as much as Republicrats. I don't put any faith in their words. Talk is cheap.

 

[newyork13]

First, I do encourage diy, though success is not guaranteed.

Second, there is no need to declare to the USPS what's in a box.(declaring it a liquid is requested for their handling purposes, but you needn't say anything more than yes it's a liquid. you could say it's massage oil if need be, but they'll never ask.)

Third, I do not trust politicians of either party, but never have been a Repub, I would think that they would end up being more amenable to our pastime.

 

[Territoo]

The thing is with a tax that high, they aren't after money. None of us can afford almost $3000/liter or the $2.80/mg that breaks down to. They want us to quit vaping, period. Now that might mean going back to the stinkies for many of us, thus paying a tobacco tax. But if they want our tax money, why not just tax nicotine at the same rate as cigarettes, or even a bit higher? It's the Big tobacco lobby that's doing this. I don't trust politicians either, but right now they got bigger problems than a couple of million vapers. Maybe next year.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

nevermind

 

[BillW50]

Like someone said, I think you should consider diy. You can get yourself many flavor concentrates and refrigerate them. PG, VG and Nic should always be available. That way you will be sorted for a long time, even if they ban flavours in all states... 100ml of flavor concentrate makes minimum 500ml liquid at 20% but some folks do 15% or even 10%.

True and I DIY. But still there are some juices that are so good I still buy them. Sure I can whip up a cheap imitation, but it isn't the same. My ADV is still a premium juice I have been vaping for the past 5 years now. Oddly enough, its manufactured in NY.

 

[stols001]

Not anymore it's not.

The problem with not being into DIY right now (depending on age and consumption I guess) is there is a learning curve and you have to be willing to "commit" to purchasing a TON of nicotine, freezing it, not having terrible things happen like homelessness, and doing it all NOW "before" that hammer comes.

There is no way on earth I would have committed to my nic stash had I not started DIY a WHILE ago like 4 years ago. At the moment I am like, "We are all going to die of unemployment or something else!" and "I don't know where I'm going to be no I am not buying 30 liters I have to TRAVEL etc." I mean.... it's almost a deterrent to TRYING DIY the possibility of 3K per liter nic, versus buying juice and letting tomorrow worry about tomorrow.

IDK they have us between a rock, and a diamond, and POLITICS the hardest substance known to mankind. I still tell people to DIY but I also mention nicotine MAY be taxed to death and that's... fair to mention and I can see people FREAK out, and I don't blame them. Even though the like, rest should BE IN THEORY obtainable easily enough I can just see people thinking "Buy and freeze and do WHAT NOW."

I hate New York and its politicians. If there were a way to combine CA and NY in one location the Earth would have it's own VERY own black HOLE.

(Besides my purse, but I keep that one in check size wise by monitoring it and talking to it soothingly.

Anna

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Anna does have a point that DIYers tend to forget or not think of.

For me, it's easy - I really only vape one flavor and it's a simple, 1-flavor flavor. I do vape an RY4 but I buy that as a flavor, no need to mix my own flavors together.

If you like complex flavors, DIY isn't as easy as many want it to be for everyone.

DIY is a lot like cooking and baking and a lot (most?) people just aren't into either. Some people can't even follow a recipe. It's just a fact of life in the modern world. It's no different for DIY.

But when times get tough, life gets rough and you gotta do what you gotta do no matter how convenient it may be. You can either sink or swim. Your choice.

 

[PeterKay]

Domestic Nicotine concentrate IS going away.
Run, Don't walk.

cheers
I

The problem with not being into DIY right now (depending on age and consumption I guess) is there is a learning curve and you have to be willing to "commit" to purchasing a TON of nicotine, freezing it, not having terrible things happen like homelessness, and doing it all NOW "before" that hammer comes.

You don't need a ton of nic really. 1l of nic solution at 7.2% is enough to make 4l of 18mg juice. That's a fair amount. So lets say you buy 2l and get it in the freezer. Not a lot of space. Hell, even a gallon. I just checked. 50 bucks for 1l, 160 bucks for a gallon. And the one I found is even higher, 10% concentration. A gallon will last you years.

100mg Nicotine Liquid

I think 160$ against whatever it will cost after they pass the new law is an investment worth risking. Or if you put it against the costs of going back to smoking cigarettes- it's nothing. Better safe than sorry. Besides, in the event of things going bad: becoming homeless, financial hardship etc you can always sell whatever you have left, without a doubt someone will be willing to buy it. If I was facing what you guys are up against I wouldn't think twice.

 

[PeterKay]

The thing is with a tax that high, they aren't after money. None of us can afford almost $3000/liter or the $2.80/mg that breaks down to. They want us to quit vaping, period. Now that might mean going back to the stinkies for many of us, thus paying a tobacco tax. But if they want our tax money, why not just tax nicotine at the same rate as cigarettes, or even a bit higher? It's the Big tobacco lobby that's doing this. I don't trust politicians either, but right now they got bigger problems than a couple of million vapers. Maybe next year.

I'm just trying to understand, you said 3k/l or 2.80/mg, did you mean 2.80$/ml? If yes then what concentration solution would that be?

 

[BillW50]

I'm just trying to understand, you said 3k/l or 2.80/mg, did you mean 2.80$/ml? If yes then what concentration solution would that be?

My understanding it is a bill to add $3000 of taxes for 1000mg/l. Which is $3000 per gram.