New recipes, no clouds?

[CoilinTrouble]

Ok so I finished with my recent repetoire of recipe winners, and have made about 6 different real winners that all are ADV's for me. My problem is that despite the fact that Im making all my juices at either 70/30 or 80/20 VG-PG, for some reason I am getting very little cloud production in comparison to commercial juices. My VG, PG, and nicotine are all high quality from nude nicotine and my flavorings are all TFA, Capella, One-stop-DIY, and FA, and Ive taken theyre compositions into account in mixing vg/pg ratios. Anybody know whats up??

 

[sedition]

What kinda flavors are they? There could be some additives like vape Wiz (which is primarily for tobaccos, IIRC) or other in the commercial stuff. I can get just as much cloud out of a regular 50/50 Castle Long as I do from some of my recipes.. max'ing VG isn't really much of a guarantee.

 

[CoilinTrouble]

Theyre all predominantly fruit flavors, LorAnn Banana Cream, TFA Strawberry, TFA Blueberry, Capella Sweet Watermelon, TFA Dragonfruit, TFA Honeydew, and LorAnn Lemonade. Would any of those really have vapor reduction properties? Will letting it steep improve vapor production??

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

I know TFA strawberry and dragon fruit don't reduce vapor production, actually I think dragon fruit increases it. What percent are you using?

Maybe you need to rewick, too much wick or too little? Did you test other tanks, or drippers?

 

[CoilinTrouble]

Yep, my wick n coil are fine, gives just as big clouds as usual with my commercial juices. I think I just need to let it steep. I tried it after an hour in the crockpot and its getting better in vapor production. Im using fairly low % though, no higher than 7% on any of those flavors, most between 3-5.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

That's probably it then. Most let juices sit at least a day after USC or crockpot, so that may be why they're acting funky right now.

 

[CoilinTrouble]

Yeah thats what Im doing tomorrow. Letting it sit next to the dehumidifier to.hopefully speed up the process of getting the ethyl alcohol out

 

[WattWick]

Did you make it entirely without adding water? If so, you may want to add a small dash of distilled water to the mix.

 

[CoilinTrouble]

Yeah I add no water to any mix Ive done. Any benefits? Substitute %'s for pg or subtract equally from both? Am I gonna need to add more flavoring to compensate?

 

[WattWick]

Just a little bit should go a long way. 2-5% of total, maybe. I'm sure there are others who can better explain why - as I'm not entirely sure on the specifics myself. Take it with a grain of salt... or two.

I think part of the point is that you want to add a liquid with a lower boiling point to allow for more efficient atomization - while decreasing the boiling point of the solution. Atomization is - if I'm not entirely mistaken - mostly about heating a liquid to the point where one of it's components 'pop' sort of like a popcorn, and carries the other components with it in an aerosol. The 'carrier liquid' in our case would be the water. It has a significantly lower boiling point than both PG and VG - or any mix thereof.

As I'm sort of confused myself, I can only suggest you make a tiny batch of no-nic pure PG/VG mix and compare vapor production to the same mix with a few % of added water.

 

[Jimi D.]

I see you have up to date equipment. What's with the 2009 juice ratio ? Try 30/70/10 PG VG distilled water. You'll be glad you did.

 

[Hoodlumj78]

The only times I've experienced that problem is not running my battery high enough on wattage or your juice isn't mixed enough and your getting mostly VG in your dropper. What I find very successful is instead of shaking the bottle is using a syringe and sucking up all the juice in the syringe and injected it back in the bottle between 5 to 10 times really mixes the juice up better then stirring or shaking the bottle till your hand goes numb. I still shake it afterwards. Also the liquid will look cloudy for a few minutes due to the air bubbles but it goes away and it's very well mixed.