Need help to dilute the pre-mixed eliquid

[Dylan Binh]

I got Naked e-liquid 60ml mango, peach and cream 6mg of Nic (US nic not Malay).
The original was 3mg of Nic but I asked my shop to added more (they charged more too,lol).
Now I need you guys help me to dilute it by PG and VG so 1 bottle 60ml can give me 1,5 or 2 bottles (90-120ml) and the nic will reduce to 3mg or so.
For now 6mg is quite too high for me. I got a dizzy just after vaping 3-4 full puffs from my AV mech mod and Magma reborn RDA (both clone).
It will help me to save juice too. For my taste right now, each vape my mouth and throat will be fullfill but a little over dose that I prefer its more softer and smooth.
Thank you very much!
The original ratio I think its 30/70 or 40/60 PG/VG. I am Flavor Chaser anyway

 

[Jdurand]

Add 25 ML of PG and then 35 ML of VG to your 60 ML of juice. You will end up with 120ML of 3mg/ml juice.

The flavor may be somewhat muted from the original mix, but it should come through enough.

 

[Dylan Binh]

Add 25 ML of PG and then 35 ML of VG to your 60 ML of juice. You will end up with 120ML of 3mg/ml juice.

The flavor may be somewhat muted from the original mix, but it should come through enough.

Ratio is 30/70. Imagine the original is 20% of flavor, nic and other thing (somewhere around 12ml), so in 60ml I got 48ml PG/VG with 14.4ml PG and 33.6 ml VG.
Add 25ml PG/35ml VG so I got 39.4ml PG and 68.6ml VG and 12ml flavor, nic and other thing from start, so the total liquid will be 120ml with 10% flavor, nic and other thing.
Expect the flavor will be muted a lot for sure so I will make a small sample first with 10ml bottle with the final new ratio.
Lets test it then I will update the result.
Thank you so much.

 

[Dylan Binh]

Base: 5ml with 1ml flavor / 1.2ml PG / 2.8ml VG

Add: 5ml PG/VG to keep ratio 3/7 and total liquid is 10ml fit in small sample bottle.

Formula:

10ml - 1ml flavor = 9ml PG/VG => 2.7ml PG / 6.3ml VG

Need to add

2.7 – 1.2 = 1.5ml PG

6.3 – 2.8 = 3.5ml VG

Am I right?

 

[Dylan Binh]

Finished mixing. Result is good. All the flavors are still here (little muted only).
I can say it 8/10 compare to the original, and for the taste it suit me more (softer and smoothly), the Nic is good for vaping now (maybe around 3mg, give a fair throat-kick, can take deep inhale without cough).
Will keep it mix little by little like that, 10ml sample is good to go, I will try different ratio, lets see the result more.
Thank you!

 

[Frocket]

For me, most commercial liquids are too strongly flavored, and I prefer high VG %.

I usually cut them with an equal amount of 80-85% VG at my preferred nic strength (3mg). To cut it down to 3mg, I'd simply add an equal amount PG/VG without the nic.

Just about any juice calculator can be used to mix up PG/VG base in whatever nic level you like.

BOOM!

 

[Capt.shay]

Base: 5ml with 1ml flavor / 1.2ml PG / 2.8ml VG

Add: 5ml PG/VG to keep ratio 3/7 and total liquid is 10ml fit in small sample bottle.

Formula:

10ml - 1ml flavor = 9ml PG/VG => 2.7ml PG / 6.3ml VG

Need to add

2.7 – 1.2 = 1.5ml PG

6.3 – 2.8 = 3.5ml VG

Am I right?

No, this is not correct. You do not subtract the flavor from the total. The flavor is either pg based or vg based (usually pg) and counts toward your final mix ratio. Your numbers come out right but you are not really looking at it properly.

 

[Jdurand]

You are overcomplicating this. Don't worry about the original mix, if you add the VG/PG in the proportions you are shooting for (60/40 or 70/30) you will get what you are looking for.

 

[Dylan Binh]

No, this is not correct. You do not subtract the flavor from the total. The flavor is either pg based or vg based (usually pg) and counts toward your final mix ratio. Your numbers come out right but you are not really looking at it properly.

Sorry, I'm new, after reading your post I searched around and found out that your said is true.
And here what I got from you, plz correct me if I'm still wrong:
- PG and VG is the base liquid where we can put in them most kind of liquid or crystal things so they can turn into one liquid only. (sorry my English is not good, so it seems funny to say so).
- PG sweeter, thinner, more throat-kick, less vapour produce, hold flavor (and Nic) better than VG. VG is safer (as most ppl say so), more vapour.
So as my calculate post above, I split the Flavor and Nic out of PG and VG is wrong, because the Flavor and Nic from the start when mixed into the original liquid, themself were carried by PG (or VG) already.
So the ratio 30/70 of original e-liquid (here is Naked 100 Amazing Mango) is summary of all PG and VG in this bottle (include PG (or VG) base of Flavor, PG (or VG) base of Nic, PG base, and VG base, and maybe some little thing more).
Am I understand you right?
Sorry for my funny English. I'm Vietnamese and will update it in my profile soon.

 

[Dylan Binh]

You are overcomplicating this. Don't worry about the original mix, if you add the VG/PG in the proportions you are shooting for (60/40 or 70/30) you will get what you are looking for.

Oh ya, just think about it simple thats way is better. I am really overcomplicating those thing.

A / B = 3 / 7 => A = 3/7 * B

(A + X) / (B + Y) = 3 / 7
=> (3/7*B +X) *7 = (B + Y) * 3 => 3B + 7X = 3B + 3Y => 7X = 3Y => X/Y= 3/7

A: PG
B: VG
X: added PG
Y: added VG

Lol, look like a 2 graded mathematic, but I totally forgot about it.
Hahahaha

 

[Capt.shay]

Sorry, I'm new, after reading your post I searched around and found out that your said is true.
And here what I got from you, plz correct me if I'm still wrong:
- PG and VG is the base liquid where we can put in them most kind of liquid or crystal things so they can turn into one liquid only. (sorry my English is not good, so it seems funny to say so).
- PG sweeter, thinner, more throat-kick, less vapour produce, hold flavor (and Nic) better than VG. VG is safer (as most ppl say so), more vapour.
So as my calculate post above, I split the Flavor and Nic out of PG and VG is wrong, because the Flavor and Nic from the start when mixed into the original liquid, themself were carried by PG (or VG) already.
So the ratio 30/70 of original e-liquid (here is Naked 100 Amazing Mango) is summary of all PG and VG in this bottle (include PG (or VG) base of Flavor, PG (or VG) base of Nic, PG base, and VG base, and maybe some little thing more).
Am I understand you right?
Sorry for my funny English. I'm Vietnamese and will update it in my profile soon.

I think I understand what you are asking here although I must confess there is a bit of language barrier but there is no reason for you to apologize as I assure you that your English is much, much better than my Vietnamese.

OK, you are mostly correct here: VG and PG are indeed used as bases or carriers. Nicotine comes in either as do the flavors and yes they are considered in with the total for the ratio so if you have 20% pg based flavor, it would count toward the total % of pg in the mix.

Pg is not sweeter, VG is slightly sweet. I don't believe either is considered "Safer" than the other. They are both considered quite safe although some people can be allergic to pg.

I hope that helps.

 

[Frocket]

Sorry, I'm new, after reading your post I searched around and found out that your said is true.
And here what I got from you, plz correct me if I'm still wrong:
- PG and VG is the base liquid where we can put in them most kind of liquid or crystal things so they can turn into one liquid only. (sorry my English is not good, so it seems funny to say so).
- PG sweeter, thinner, more throat-kick, less vapour produce, hold flavor (and Nic) better than VG. VG is safer (as most ppl say so), more vapour.
So as my calculate post above, I split the Flavor and Nic out of PG and VG is wrong, because the Flavor and Nic from the start when mixed into the original liquid, themself were carried by PG (or VG) already.
So the ratio 30/70 of original e-liquid (here is Naked 100 Amazing Mango) is summary of all PG and VG in this bottle (include PG (or VG) base of Flavor, PG (or VG) base of Nic, PG base, and VG base, and maybe some little thing more).
Am I understand you right?
Sorry for my funny English. I'm Vietnamese and will update it in my profile soon.

Yup, that's basically it.

PG is a thin, watery liquid and is a pretty decent solvent. It's basically flavorless, but can be an irritant - more PG gives more throat hit and carries flavor better. Since it's rather thin, it wicks better.

VG is a thick, syrupy liquid with a sweet taste. Gives very little throat hit and a lot more vapor, but can cover up delicate flavors. It's thick like syrup, so doesn't wick as well.

Flavorings are usually dissolved in PG, since it's a better solvent, and doesn't have a sweet taste like VG, which can cover up flavors.

Nicotine is available in PG or VG, since it dissolves in both. In finished e-liquid, it's at a low percentage - usually between 0.3%-1.8% (3mg/ml - 18mg/ml).

If your liquid is at 6mg/ml, and you want 3mg/ml, simply add an equal amount of PG/VG liquid without nicotine. Of course, this also dilutes the flavoring to a lower concentration, but for most commercial liquids, this isn't a problem - they generally contain a lot of flavoring.

BOOM!

 

[Dylan Binh]

I think I understand what you are asking here although I must confess there is a bit of language barrier but there is no reason for you to apologize as I assure you that your English is much, much better than my Vietnamese.

OK, you are mostly correct here: VG and PG are indeed used as bases or carriers. Nicotine comes in either as do the flavors and yes they are considered in with the total for the ratio so if you have 20% pg based flavor, it would count toward the total % of pg in the mix.

Pg is not sweeter, VG is slightly sweet. I don't believe either is considered "Safer" than the other. They are both considered quite safe although some people can be allergic to pg.

I hope that helps.

Big thanks again. Somehow I feel more easy and comfortable to talk in our forum more than chating with my friends. Here so many nice ppl, ready to share their though like you guys.
So love it!
Nice community!
Second home!

 

[Dylan Binh]

Yup, that's basically it.

PG is a thin, watery liquid and is a pretty decent solvent. It's basically flavorless, but can be an irritant - more PG gives more throat hit and carries flavor better. Since it's rather thin, it wicks better.

VG is a thick, syrupy liquid with a sweet taste. Gives very little throat hit and a lot more vapor, but can cover up delicate flavors. It's thick like syrup, so doesn't wick as well.

Flavorings are usually dissolved in PG, since it's a better solvent, and doesn't have a sweet taste like VG, which can cover up flavors.

Nicotine is available in PG or VG, since it dissolves in both. In finished e-liquid, it's at a low percentage - usually between 0.3%-1.8% (3mg/ml - 18mg/ml).

If your liquid is at 6mg/ml, and you want 3mg/ml, simply add an equal amount of PG/VG liquid without nicotine. Of course, this also dilutes the flavoring to a lower concentration, but for most commercial liquids, this isn't a problem - they generally contain a lot of flavoring.

BOOM!

Big help, I will take note about this.
Eager to make my own liquid when the Flavor concentrated came and Nic base can pass the custom, lol.
Thanks a lot bro!
*shake hand*

 

[Frocket]

Been brushing up on my algebra, thanks to vaping.

I vape 3mg/ml, and my wife just started vaping, so she wants a little higher nic, around 9mg/ml. I got a bunch of 3mg liquid on hand, and bump it up to 9mg with 30mg/ml Nic base:

((15ml * 3mg) + (X ml * 30mg)) / (15ml + X ml) = 9

Solve for X, X=30/7, approximately 4.3ml.

Unfortunately, such math is beyond the reach of most people.

BOOM!

 

[Dylan Binh]

Been brushing up on my algebra, thanks to vaping.

I vape 3mg/ml, and my wife just started vaping, so she wants a little higher nic, around 9mg/ml. I got a bunch of 3mg liquid on hand, and bump it up to 9mg with 30mg/ml Nic base:

((15ml * 3mg) + (X ml * 30mg)) / (15ml + X ml) = 9

Solve for X, X=30/7, approximately 4.3ml.

Unfortunately, such math is beyond the reach of most people.

BOOM!

Thank you for your big share. Such a treasure. Till I can understand it I believe I can handle mostly all the nic mix lv for me and my customer.
Thank you thank you!