Likely Buying a Vaporesso Gemini RTA. Need a TFV8 also?

[vapesmooth123]

I spent the last ~16 hours learning about modern tanks. Thank god for Rip Tripper and Grim Green's short and sweet, no BS review videos that made this much quicker than it could have been.

I've been vaping almost 4 years, but about 2.5 years ago I gave up on the kanger protank 2 and switched to a simple single coil RDA which serves me well. I sacrificed the ease of the Protank for the RDA giving a great hit with no burn/gurgle but having to refill it often.

I never got to do huge clouds which I've been wanting to try years ago when we didn't even have regulated mods for sub ohm / high wattage vaping. I have a DNA30 Hana mod for a couple years. For some reason, if I build a sub ohm (or even under like 1.5), the mod's screen forces me to vape at such a high wattage that it's just a burnt hot torture vape - unvapable. IDK. I have a basic dual coil RDA also and drilled out the holes too much or something and can't get clouds off that either for some reason.
I'm getting a new 150-200 W temp control MOD anyway. (that will probably be another 16 hour research project and another thread to finalize, sorry, and so will the RDA(s) I'm fitting to get).


Anyway, I narrowed it down the Vaporesso Gemini RTA over the Griffin 25 and Aromamizer. These are all basically the same except that the Gemini has those air flow holes in the center of the velocity deck and has top air flow - both of which might be subjective but I'm basically set on the Gemini).

I voided out "sub ohm tanks" that you have to buy premade coils (or rebuild those tiny tiny coils) or "sub ohm tanks" that also include an additional RBA insert with a velocity etc deck. Simply because they are too small of an RBA insert as far as I know, the larger the better like a Gemini/Aromamizer/Griffin etc deck.

Except tfv8 for some reason I didn't void that one out and am convinced maybe I'll get even bigger better clouds with this (using the RBA velocity insert) than the Gemini? Maybe with the premade tfv8 quad coils (or even 6 coil I think they make), I would get even bigger better clouds but I'm not sure if that's accurate vs a high end fancy dual build Clapton or transformer fused on a Gemini. Should I even get the TFV8? Also, I predict in a couple months, they'll V2 the TFV4 and 8 with Juice control, something I think I will be very fond of on the Gemini. They'll also probably add top air flow to the TFVs. Regardless, do I even need a TFV8? If using the RBA for the TFV8, is it not the same exact concept as the griffin/aromamizer/ Gemini (minus juice control and top air control). I'm okay with burning though tons of juice with the TFV8, and if it's too overkill as an all-day-vape, I'll go back to the Gemini. And if the Gemini is overkill, I'm also getting a single coil Kayfun V5.

Side note, all these RTVs and even the RDAs essentially seem to me like a step backwards to the original top coil clearomizers like the Vivi nova or CE5 or Genesis, but with larger decks and with bottom air flow channels and air hole size dials. I mean, If you look at these new tanks, essentially the coils are suspended over the bottom of the tank where the juice enters and then IT HAS TO WICK UP THE COTTON TO THE COIL, which kind of scares me that I will get burnt hits although reviews and proof in the pudding proves that wrong, it just seems like a step backwards towards top coil tanks. The Kanger protank wasn't like this in a way, it's similar to the modern sub ohm tanks that you have to buy mini premade coils for, the coil is completely under juice and jucie gets in SIDEWAYS via holes in the coil housing and then the juice goes right to the coil. Bypasses the juice having to wick upwards.


Sorry if I got too off topic and too long. Basically just asking if I should get a TFV8 also (just for huge cloud ridiculousness) if I'm already set on a Gemini (with dual Clapton /fancy sub ohm builds and a 150-200 W mod.

 

[srg2692]

I've been considering a TFV8 myself, so I'll just go over what I've thought about.

No juice flow control could be a major issue depending on whether or not it'll spend much time on its side. If you will have it in your pocket while sitting down for extended periods it's gonna leak. The upside is that if you know you'll be in that type of situation you can just throw a prebuilt coilhead in and go. Also if you're having trouble with wicking and you don't have time to mess with it you can just throw in a prebuilt. As far as clouds go, from what I've read I think the RBA head has an 18mm deck, which is bigger than the griffin(25), aromamizer(supreme), or the Gemini. I haven't used one myself so I don't know how the wicking will hold up, but there's a lot of room to build there. Assuming the airflow is good, which I'm sure it is, you could throw some respectable clouds with it. More pros than cons from my perspective, but the juice flow thing is a pretty big con. I'm still on the fence myself.

 

[vapesmooth123]

I'm going to order the Gemini now and maybe pass on the tfv8 (at least for now until maybe they upgrade it which I'm sure they will add juice and air control and maybe more features in V2, they know it needs it but they know how to milk the vaping community, every atty does this with V1 and then V2 V3 etc so people keep buying the next one !). TFV8 is only like $25 shipped but it adds up when you keep buying each release.

I mean, overall, there are so many damn RTAs RBAs but they're all essentially almost the same damn thing - a bottom fed (but still requiring some upward wicking as I mentioned) Velocity deck.

The velocity RBA insert for the TFV8 is indeed 18mm, the Gemini is 16mm, For 2mm, I think I'll just stick with the Gemini's extra features. The Griffin 25mm has a 17mm deck. The Aromamizer is 16.5mm. But theses all have juice control (and the Gemini has four exclusive air holes inside the center of the velocity deck and also has top air flow).

The only thing is like you said, the premade quad and 6-coils for the TFV8, I'm hoping won't actually give more vapor than a fancy dual Clapton build in the Gemini. It is also tempting though to just pop in one of those premade coils, especially since I'm not very advanced with building yet (I've been building single coils since the tiny PITA Kanger T3 and in my RDA but nothing too crazy. I just ordered ceramic tweezers and going to research good wire, stainless etc for the new mod(s) I pick up.


I would like to wait to order an upgraded V2 tfv8 with juice and air flow when they make it but I am sort of in a rush to make this order before possibly soon you go to order something and get a pop up "You're in the United States and can not buy this !", please go to this website - Everything 5X the price from new regulations, and new products slow for availability etc, who knows what they'll pull.

Edit update:, the Mega version Gemini has a 17mm deck (and hold more juice than the 16mm deck regular Gemini) but I prefer smaller tanks, and for the extra 1-2 mm, it's not make or break I don't think. A penny is 1.75 mm thick, so the 16mm Gemini deck (non mega) is only about a penny's thickness smaller than the velocity on the TFV8. There's also the center air flow posts exclusive to the Gemini so maybe those well out-do the 2mm difference.