Kayfun Prime - some queries

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Vik171

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Hi All,

I recently switched to vaping (been 2 months now) after 12 years of smoking. I own couple of MTL tanks - Nautilus mini, Nautilus 2, Kabuki, Vika Fantasy and Zenith MTL. I didn't like Nautilus tanks and Zenith MTL.
I like Kabuki and Vika Fantasy - Kabuki being my favourite and I use it daily. I would like to cut down the cost of coils and have decided to move to RTA for my home vaping and will carry Kabuki when I'm out and about. I am going to make a 1-time investment and buy Kayfun Prime from SvoeMesto's website. I have few queries and will be very glad if someone could help.

- How good is the flavour in Kayfun Prime compared to Kabuki with BVC 1.8 coils? Is it a big difference or just slightly better? Or is Kabuki better?
- When you carry Kayfun Prime in bag or in pocket then do you have to close the liquid control? If one forgets to close it then will the juice leak? I don't seem to get the liquid control feature in Kayfun Prime at all. Also couldn't find much info on it on internet.
- Is it possible to change coils or wicks if there's juice still inside?
- I like Aspire BVC 1.8 coils, what is the equivalent wire I should buy for Kayfun Prime? I like MTL and prefer small cloud.
 

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I haven't purchased Kayfun Prime yet, but I have KF2, KF3, KF4, and KF5.

I like SS316L stainless steel in every RTA I use. It works with power mode as well as TC mode and I think it lasts longer than Kanthal. It can withstand multiple dry burns, but I generally replace the coil if it's not smooth and shiny after a clean and dry burn.

With most any RTA you are going to lose the juice when you take it apart to fill or re-wick. I keep a long needle syringe in my rebuild kit to extract the juice before servicing the tank. Once you are through you can just inject the juice back into the tank through the fill hole and continue vaping.

12ga needles are a good choice, but the best size for RTA filling is the largest needle that will fit through the fill port. You also want the needle to be long enough to reach the bottom of the tank.

With most Kayfuns lots of people close off the juice feed, hold their fingers over the air holes, and remove the top for adding and removing juice.
 
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I don't own an original Prime, but I am one who doesn't do so well with JFC. I would think it would be better to close it off in transit probably. JFC is one of those love it or hate it things at least for me. Etc.

Hopefully others will be along with their thoughts, if you really get one working for you I hear Kayfuns are great. :lol:

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I don't own an original Prime, but I am one who doesn't do so well with JFC. I would think it would be better to close it off in transit probably. JFC is one of those love it or hate it things at least for me. Etc.

Hopefully others will be along with their thoughts, if you really get one working for you I hear Kayfuns are great. :lol:

Anna

Which is why I've stuck with Kayfun V2 (I have 9 or 10). I don't think I've ever had a pocket leak that couldn't be fixed with new o-rings. The vape isn't as flavorful as the Beserker, but it's been reliable. I keep saying I'll change over to the Beserker as my daily vape, but It's hard to put down the one that you have complete faith in.

All of my Kayfuns are knock offs. Most all are Tobeco clones and they are rock solid. For flavor the Vandy Vape Beserker is far better, though. I need to learn to trust it in my pocket and make it my goto tank!
 
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- When you carry Kayfun Prime in bag or in pocket then do you have to close the liquid control? If one forgets to close it then will the juice leak? I don't seem to get the liquid control feature in Kayfun Prime at all. Also couldn't find much info on it on internet.
No leakage so far with JFC open. It works by essentially screwing/unscrewing the tank, the first rotations are the JFC, after that you unscrew the tank (from 0 closed to about 2.5 turns is JFC). I only close the JFC during refill.
Is it possible to change coils or wicks if there's juice still inside?
Yes, no problem, you don't have to empty the tank to change wicks/coils.
 

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I think the ultimate test for leaks in an atomizer is to carry it in a pants pocket where body heat will slightly expand the juice. :) That's been where I've had seepage from atomizers that are marginal in their juice retention. That, or set it in the sun for a while (think beach environment). If it produces great flavor and passes those tests it's probably a great atomizer.
 

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No leakage so far with JFC open. It works by essentially screwing/unscrewing the tank, the first rotations are the JFC, after that you unscrew the tank (from 0 closed to about 2.5 turns is JFC). I only close the JFC during refill.

I'd close the JFC as I've had a bit of leaking. I don't know why our experiences are different - perhaps you're better at wicking than I am.

Yes, no problem, you don't have to empty the tank to change wicks/coils.

Even with a full tank, just turn it upside down before you unscrew it and then stand it on the drip tip. Even if you knock it over you've got a bit of time to catch it before the juice starts seeping out.

Concerning flavour, it all depends on your coil and wicking. Try a few different coil sizes, different wires, spaced or contact, and find out what works for you. I also preferred the 1.8 ohm coil, but I can't do a direct comparison as I've switched to TC with RTAs. I'm finding my current setup with the Kayfun Prime much more flavourful than the Nautilus, but I've never tried the Kabuki.
 
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I don't know why our experiences are different - perhaps you're better at wicking than I am.
There's one thing I do differently to most people I know - I secure my leads around and behind the post (under that little "fork" thingy), not between post and screw. That keeps the wick completely away from the airflow opening. Using 3mm ID coils so that should give an idea of how much wick I have in there.
Looks like this (without the clapton part)
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If you haven't done that yet maybe it's worth a try.
 

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I have authentic Kabuki (Aspire 1.6 BVC) and authentic KP. Love them both. See my comments below.

- How good is the flavour in Kayfun Prime compared to Kabuki with BVC 1.8 coils? Is it a big difference or just slightly better? Or is Kabuki better?
== The flavour is slightly different. I think Prime produces more detailed palette and vape is more saturated but more airy. It's very subjective, you may have completely different experience.
- When you carry Kayfun Prime in bag or in pocket then do you have to close the liquid control? If one forgets to close it then will the juice leak? I don't seem to get the liquid control feature in Kayfun Prime at all. Also couldn't find much info on it on internet.
== I carry KP all the time, no leaking. You need to close liquid control only when travel on the airplane. Or to refill, of course.
- Is it possible to change coils or wicks if there's juice still inside?
== Yep
- I like Aspire BVC 1.8 coils, what is the equivalent wire I should buy for Kayfun Prime? I like MTL and prefer small cloud.
==If you like Aspire BVC 1.8 then I would suggest to start with 28 GA Kanthal and a good quality cotton

Cheers!
 

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- When you carry Kayfun Prime in bag or in pocket then do you have to close the liquid control? If one forgets to close it then will the juice leak? I don't seem to get the liquid control feature in Kayfun Prime at all. Also couldn't find much info on it on internet.

I tend to close the JFC completely when I'm going to be leaving my Prime (or my Mini v3) in my truck during the day for more than an hour or so. Sometimes if it gets too warm, I'll get leakage if I don't. When I close it off, no leakage. I do not close the JFC for transport in my pocket or anything, and the only leakage I've ever had with my Prime was when a wick popped out on me. So that was pretty major leakage.

- Is it possible to change coils or wicks if there's juice still inside?

Yep. Very easy. Turn it upside down and unscrew it all the way, change the coil and wick, and screw it back on upside down. Done.

The Prime and the Mini v3 are the only RTAs that I have that I do not have a problem with leakage or gurgling after top filling.
 

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Is it common, that the Prime have an almost double tight draw comparing with V5?
I've tried plenty of different wicks, but the draw is still very tight.
Yes. The prime is MTL. It is supposed to be tight. The v5 is way too loose for me.
 

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For more Kayfun Prime discussion...

Authentic Svoemesto Kayfun Prime

Thank you! didn't realize there's a whole thread on Kayfun Prime! I went through all the posts there and decided to buy Kayfun Prime!

Thanks all for your input. Just an update - I bought Kayfun Prime from Cremedevape website and waiting for the parcel now. Also bought come coils (KA 28GA, SS316L 28GA and Vandy Vape Superfine MTL from a local store in Sydney). Practicing making coils on coilmaster tool until I wait for my Kayfun to arrive :) It's much easier than I thought and the tools make it so easy to make perfect contact coils!

However Kabuki will stay my favourite, the day I vaped on it was the last day I touched cigarettes. It never leaks or spits, built like a tank, air flow is set & forget and flavour tastes so much better on it.
 

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Thank you! didn't realize there's a whole thread on Kayfun Prime! I went through all the posts there and decided to buy Kayfun Prime!

Thanks all for your input. Just an update - I bought Kayfun Prime from Cremedevape website and waiting for the parcel now. Also bought come coils (KA 28GA, SS316L 28GA and Vandy Vape Superfine MTL from a local store in Sydney). Practicing making coils on coilmaster tool until I wait for my Kayfun to arrive :) It's much easier than I thought and the tools make it so easy to make perfect contact coils!

However Kabuki will stay my favourite, the day I vaped on it was the last day I touched cigarettes. It never leaks or spits, built like a tank, air flow is set & forget and flavour tastes so much better on it.

First up greetings from dreary Darlinghurst....

With any Kayfun release, theres going to be a long existing thread on here :)

Ive had a Kayfun 5 (clone - since donated to a friend, miss it a little bit) and it was one of the very few tanks ive ever owned that was drama free. It was easy to build and wick, one of the easiest ever. Im one of those people who do not get juice flow control (you could many rants by on it - mebbe dont) - i never closed mine (even when filling) and never had a leak (wick thy tank well and they tank shall not leak is my personal mantra) - though i wouldnt suggest you try as a new user as you get used to it :)

Plenty of videos out there showing how to build and wick on the Kayfun Prime (note build method is the same as the Kayfun 5) but ill include this general review and build video from PBusardo as it includes a lot of tips as well (note the part about lubing the orings)...just the only advice i would give would be to substitute the coil leg fixing as per untars pic above - Kayfun Prime - some queries instead of the way PBusardo does it in the video, its the way i think most do it, i know i did.



As for coil building, and trying to target your current ohmage (1.8Ohm) in the kayfun:

Factoring in 28gauge wires, and a 3mm inner diameter coil (this is what ive used since day 1 and recommend - larger diameter, more wire = closer to your targetted ohmage + more surface area = more vapor)

Kanthal - 1.8ohms? possible, i mean yes - 8/9 wraps - Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

SS316L - 1.8ohms? unlikely, i mean no - 16 wraps - Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

Vandy Vape Superfine MTL - depending on the makeup of the wire, i believe its available in different wire materials and in fused clapton...havent done fused claptons myself, but generally any clapton is going to be lower resistance than a single wire...so more wraps if youre trying to target an existing ohmage. So 1.8 ohms, just way too many wraps even with kanthal...similar as with single wire using SS316L

I started out vape life with building stock Kanthal coils for my Lemo 2, their stock coil was 7/8 wraps on 3mm - 1.1ohms, when i moved to SS316L about 2 years back, i just continued to wrap 7/8 wraps on 3mm, but my ohmage became 0.5-0.6 due to the properties of the 3316L, i didnt bother to try and hit 1.1ohms on 316L as there just wasnt the space inside the build deck...

i hope that makes the kanthal vs 316L part above a bit clearer

One things for sure, when you get your genuine one you prolly wont have to pull it fully apart to bathe it to get rid of the machine oil like i did on my clone :)
 
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First up greetings from dreary Darlinghurst....

With any Kayfun release, theres going to be a long existing thread on here :)

Ive had a Kayfun 5 (clone - since donated to a friend, miss it a little bit) and it was one of the very few tanks ive ever owned that was drama free. It was easy to build and wick, one of the easiest ever. Im one of those people who do not get juice flow control (you could many rants by on it - mebbe dont) - i never closed mine (even when filling) and never had a leak (wick thy tank well and they tank shall not leak is my personal mantra) - though i wouldnt suggest you try as a new user as you get used to it :)

Plenty of videos out there showing how to build and wick on the Kayfun Prime (note build method is the same as the Kayfun 5) but ill include this general review and build video from PBusardo as it includes a lot of tips as well (note the part about lubing the orings)...just the only advice i would give would be to substitute the coil leg fixing as per untars pic above - Kayfun Prime - some queries instead of the way PBusardo does it in the video, its the way i think most do it, i know i did.



As for coil building, and trying to target your current ohmage (1.8Ohm) in the kayfun:

Factoring in 28gauge wires, and a 3mm inner diameter coil (this is what ive used since day 1 and recommend - larger diameter, more wire = closer to your targetted ohmage + more surface area = more vapor)

Kanthal - 1.8ohms? possible, i mean yes - 8/9 wraps - Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

SS316L - 1.8ohms? unlikely, i mean no - 16 wraps - Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

Vandy Vape Superfine MTL - depending on the makeup of the wire, i believe its available in different wire materials and in fused clapton...havent done fused claptons myself, but generally any clapton is going to be lower resistance than a single wire...so more wraps if youre trying to target an existing ohmage. So 1.8 ohms, just way too many wraps even with kanthal...similar as with single wire using SS316L

I started out vape life with building stock Kanthal coils for my Lemo 2, their stock coil was 7/8 wraps on 3mm - 1.1ohms, when i moved to SS316L about 2 years back, i just continued to wrap 7/8 wraps on 3mm, but my ohmage became 0.5-0.6 due to the properties of the 3316L, i didnt bother to try and hit 1.1ohms on 316L as there just wasnt the space inside the build deck...

i hope that makes the kanthal vs 316L part above a bit clearer

One things for sure, when you get your genuine one you prolly wont have to pull it fully apart to bathe it to get rid of the machine oil like i did on my clone :)


Thanks mate! I'll take the advice to wrap coils as in the pic. I reckon I'll probably need couple of tries to figure the ideal wicking. Will use a juice I don't like initially for trial and error :)

Just a question - I'm not too fussed about the Ohm I'll get in my build as long as I get a good flavour and battery life. My understanding is that at higher Ohms (e.g. 1.8 or 1.6) one needs lower wattage for vaping? I use 13-14 watts power in my devices and battery lasts me a long time. I use Tarot nano and Eleaf's iStick power nano as my travel mods with Vika tank on it. It's an ideal setup for me as it fits perfectly in my pouch (12cm by 5cm) and in my trouser or jacket pocket just like how I used to keep Ciggies boxes and the battery lasts me all day comfortably. At home I use iStick Pico 21700 with Kabuki and the battery lasts me 2-3 days on a single charge (I charge once battery reaches 30%). I mostly use Aspire BVC 1.8 ohm coils. I had couple of Trition mini coils and I prefer BVC 1.8 (not sure why though :) )

If the SS316L 28GA 7/8 wraps comes out at 0.5 or 0.6 ohms then I'll need more Wattage. Right? I'll use Kanthal 28GA in that case as I like MTL (cig-like experience) and don't want to compromise on battery life. You reckon I could go up to SS316L 30GA to get to 1.1 or 1.2 ohm resistance? I haven't tried TC yet and want to give it a shot, that's why I ordered some SS coils.
 
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Thanks mate! I'll take the advice to wrap coils as in the pic. I reckon I'll probably need couple of tries to figure the ideal wicking. Will use a juice I don't like initially for trial and error :)

Just a question - I'm not too fussed about the Ohm I'll get in my build as long as I get a good flavour and battery life. My understanding is that at higher Ohms (e.g. 1.8 or 1.6) one needs lower wattage for vaping? I use 13-14 watts power in my devices and battery lasts me a long time. I use Tarot nano and Eleaf's iStick power nano as my travel mods with Vika tank on it. It's an ideal setup for me as it fits perfectly in my pouch (12cm by 5cm) and in my trouser or jacket pocket just like how I used to keep Ciggies boxes and the battery lasts me all day comfortably. At home I use iStick Pico 21700 with Kabuki and the battery lasts me 2-3 days on a single charge (I charge once battery reaches 30%). I mostly use Aspire BVC 1.8 ohm coils. I had couple of Trition mini coils and I prefer BVC 1.8 (not sure why though :) )

If the SS316L 28GA 7/8 wraps comes out at 0.5 or 0.6 ohms then I'll need more Wattage. Right? I'll use Kanthal 28GA in that case as I like MTL (cig-like experience) and don't want to compromise on battery life. You reckon I could go up to SS316L 30GA to get to 1.1 or 1.2 ohm resistance? I haven't tried TC yet and want to give it a shot, that's why I ordered some SS coils.

Correct -
Higher Ohms = less wattage
Lower Ohms = more wattage

So if youre running 1.8Ohms and using 13-14watts, dont be surprised if you'll likely want to try starting out around near double that for a subohm (sub 1.0 ohm) build...start around 24watts say and adjust up (most likely) or down as needed till you hit your preferred vapour/heat level. I can onyl barely remember my wattage days as ive been TC'ing most of my vape life, but not unusual to hit 30w on a 0.6ish build when i did use watts mode, of course plenty of people vape much higher wattages (and now temps) than i do, i likes me a coolish vape.

Plenty of folks prefer 1.8Ohm coils

28GA anything can be a bit fiddly to work with (SS can make it a little bit tricker to work again as it can be springier), and going to 30 is even thinner but doable, both gauges heat quite quickly, so theres that upside, less ramp up time....

It would take 11/12 wraps of 28GA 316L to get in the 1.2Ohm ballpark, and i honestly cant tell you if thats possible in the Kayfun deck, because Ive only ever built spaced coils on the Kayfun 5 deck, or any deck in fact.

If you trap the coil legs the traditional way (from the outside of one post screw to the other (see inside red arrows in following pic) there is a limit, but using the method untars pic shows (and borrowed and repeated below) you can get more wraps on using that method as its outside the screws, you prolly dont want to go (much) past where the outside red arrows are as the wick holes are pretty much directly underneath and generally you'll want to keep the wicks vertical at worst

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7/8 wraps of 30GA 316L will get you in the ball park of 1.2Ohm and should definitely fit the deck even using the tradtional method of coil leg trapping (inside red arrows) - Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

And while im here the very basic difference between wattage mode and tc mode, because its the easiest way to think of the difference between the two

wattage mode - the mod puts out your set wattage for as long as you hold the button, the temp however continues to increase

tc mode - the mod puts out enough wattage (from the preset wattage you set - yes in tc mode theres a wattage setting - more on that if you want to be bored) to hit your set temp, and then drops the wattage to a level needed to maintain this set temp.

Or in practical terms, if i were to vape my setup in wattage mode on 0.6 Ohms, id prolly set the wattage to around 30W for my preference. As long as i hold the button, the mod puts out 30Watts and my vapour gets ever hotter the longer i hold the button and toot it. In tc mode i set my watts to say 50W (leaving a bit of headroom in case i want to change my temp at some point - then i dont need to go back to the wattage menu and i set mine a year ago and havent been back there since) and my temp to say 195c and hit the button, it may initially put out 34watts to get up to my set temp of 195c, but then it will drop to around half that to maintain the 195c...

Like i said thats the basic wattage vs tc mode difference. Theres tiem enough another day to go down that rabbit hole, but for me, i was always struggling with a consistent vape in wattage mode, when tc came along a few years back, i tried it and never looked back, i get the same identical vape every time i hit the button...made a huge difference to me, others hate it, though i still dont understand how/why for the life of me, prolly as they dont understand how i love it so much

I tend to evangelise tc mode, so just letting you know up front....

To be fair im also a pretty decent unflavoured juice evangelist too...for testing thats my next best tip for you, unflavoured juice, just nic, pg and vg in your preferred ratio, Its all ive vaped for nearly 3 years, almost no taste - never gets too much or boring, its the most low cost and low drama (no flavour chasing and spending millions on unicorn flavours) way to vape. But especially good for testing so you dont waste your expensive unicorn juice while youre doing initial testing, you can always rotate in a flavoured juice on top of it once you know you have your coil and wick right.
 
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