My Father used to tell me:
"Don't trust a man that claims he has no vice".
Do you consider vaping a vice?
"Don't trust a man that claims he has no vice".
Do you consider vaping a vice?
Is vaping a vice?
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Damn I have been calling it a hobby. Hobby, vice or addiction it is still fun and way better than smoking in my book.
Well, depends on if you believe in the concept as it's applied.
The typical definition of a vice indicates something with is depraved, immoral, or makes one a defective person.
Is vaping really any of those things? Is smoking?
No. I don't think so.
I think we throw around words designed to degrade people for being people (both ourselves and others) too easily, Sin, vice, and some more vulgar words ECF probably censors.
We live in a society that wants us to believe we are inherently wicked and need to be fixed. We are, after all, the product of a Puritanical society. And I don't buy into that.
A vice, in the true spirit of the definition, would be something like being a being a hit man or a dishonorable thief or a human trafficker. vaping, and even smoking, is nothing like any of those things.
I am not evil or broken or defective for being an addict. I'm just a human being, who happens to be addicted to something that is socially frowned upon. The world is full of sugar and caffeine addicts, who experience serious and debilitating withdrawal if they try to quit. But they don't get the flack smokers/vapers do.
Addiction is an unfortunate reality of humanity, but it's not wicked or morally wrong. I won't let myself be shamed over it, nor apply shaming words to myself or others over it.
Vaping makes me an addict, a hobbyist, and to some degree an activist. But it doesn't make me immoral.
The typical definition of a vice indicates something with is depraved, immoral, or makes one a defective person.
Is vaping really any of those things? Is smoking?
No. I don't think so.
I think we throw around words designed to degrade people for being people (both ourselves and others) too easily, Sin, vice, and some more vulgar words ECF probably censors.
We live in a society that wants us to believe we are inherently wicked and need to be fixed. We are, after all, the product of a Puritanical society. And I don't buy into that.
A vice, in the true spirit of the definition, would be something like being a being a hit man or a dishonorable thief or a human trafficker. vaping, and even smoking, is nothing like any of those things.
I am not evil or broken or defective for being an addict. I'm just a human being, who happens to be addicted to something that is socially frowned upon. The world is full of sugar and caffeine addicts, who experience serious and debilitating withdrawal if they try to quit. But they don't get the flack smokers/vapers do.
Addiction is an unfortunate reality of humanity, but it's not wicked or morally wrong. I won't let myself be shamed over it, nor apply shaming words to myself or others over it.
Vaping makes me an addict, a hobbyist, and to some degree an activist. But it doesn't make me immoral.
Of course it is - about on the level of coffee as a vice.
Vice being defined as something that is either mildly physically bad for you or socially frowned upon but causes no harm to others.
I would have to disagree with Nomad, her definition is those that are actually evil: causing harm to others without care or even enjoying causing harm.
You notice I'm not bringing religion into this; religion may teach ethics - but are not the SOURCE of ethics. Besides, I'm anti-religious.
Vice being defined as something that is either mildly physically bad for you or socially frowned upon but causes no harm to others.
I would have to disagree with Nomad, her definition is those that are actually evil: causing harm to others without care or even enjoying causing harm.
You notice I'm not bringing religion into this; religion may teach ethics - but are not the SOURCE of ethics. Besides, I'm anti-religious.
Well, that is the actual definition of the word vice. I do know it's used slightly differently for some people - but because it depends so heavily on who you're talking to, I'd rather not use the word at all.
I'm not sure if you're thinking I'm anti-religious. If so, I don't know why. I do think, however, that at the time of the establishment of our culture, there was much more overlap between society and religion. So it's more about culture than it is about religion. They were basically the same thing in previous centuries. Those things are more divorced and clearly defined in our modern society, with America being much more of a melting pot.
But simply denying the influence Puritanism had certainly doesn't do us any service in understanding our own culture. I also never said it was the source of ethics - merely that it does color our language and our society to this day to a certain degree. Those things have nothing to do with the source of ethics - they have to do with culture. And cultures, and cultural mores, vary widely from place to place. Clearly they aren't the source of ethics.
I never said there weren't positive things it did to society as well - but denying the bad things it did because it's not perceived as being PC is, I think, detrimental. Everything in history has positive and negative consequences.
I'm not sure if you're thinking I'm anti-religious. If so, I don't know why. I do think, however, that at the time of the establishment of our culture, there was much more overlap between society and religion. So it's more about culture than it is about religion. They were basically the same thing in previous centuries. Those things are more divorced and clearly defined in our modern society, with America being much more of a melting pot.
But simply denying the influence Puritanism had certainly doesn't do us any service in understanding our own culture. I also never said it was the source of ethics - merely that it does color our language and our society to this day to a certain degree. Those things have nothing to do with the source of ethics - they have to do with culture. And cultures, and cultural mores, vary widely from place to place. Clearly they aren't the source of ethics.
I never said there weren't positive things it did to society as well - but denying the bad things it did because it's not perceived as being PC is, I think, detrimental. Everything in history has positive and negative consequences.
Kudos MistressNomad & thanks for the posts. Whatever definition or point of view is applied to the term "vice", use of the term sill implies a negative association and a prerogative judgment made by the user. And I, for one, do not consider vaping a vice.
For me, vaping is no more significant than my daily coffee or occasional chocolate binge.
I like "guilty pleasure" better. Like Haagen-dazs or a spa day. It's only "guilty" because I spend money on it I could probably spend better elsewhere. Oh well!
I traded in the "vice" of smoking when I started vaping. I don't consider this any more of a "vice" than I would eating when I'm hungry or drinking when I'm thirsty.
It's more of a habit, rather than a vice in my eyes. I scheduled my life around when my next cigarette would be. I don't do that with my PV. However, I still have a habit of having something to smoke, and a nicotine habit.
Then, again, I can see it being called a vice.
Then, again, I can see it being called a vice.
Its not good for us thats for sure ( although certainly better than analogs ) and its pleasurable so yeah, its a vice.
i don't believe anything that someone does with or wants to put in their body is a vice. if it brings them pleasure and doesn't harm anybody else then it's none of my business.
vaping is my habit and my pleasure in life. addiction? yea but who isn't addicted to something? if you need a cup of coffee when you wake up to function properly then you're an addict too.
vaping is my habit and my pleasure in life. addiction? yea but who isn't addicted to something? if you need a cup of coffee when you wake up to function properly then you're an addict too.
Soap operas, video games, sex, surplus eating, TV...etc. All vices ? I think most people think not unless something harmful is there. PV took those harmful effects away from the analog habit, so what you have left can't be vice.
Althought it may not be the correct definition, I think that a "vice" is something rather bad for you that you can't do without... like caffeine, sugar, computer games, cheetos, etc. I guess you could say vaping is a vice since so many people ( like myself) can't do without it... and it hasn't been proven that it is completely 100% harm-free (especially to my wallet!) Just my 2 cents. 
From Merriam Webster:
Definition of VICE
1a : moral depravity or corruption : wickedness
b : a moral fault or failing
c : a habitual and usually trivial defect or shortcoming : foible <suffered from the vice of curiosity>
I think "c" might apply to vaping. It is certainly not immoral or wicked.
Definition of VICE
1a : moral depravity or corruption : wickedness
b : a moral fault or failing
c : a habitual and usually trivial defect or shortcoming : foible <suffered from the vice of curiosity>
I think "c" might apply to vaping. It is certainly not immoral or wicked.
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