Is temperature control worth it?

[rammstein]

One of my batteries is dying and I'm thinking of getting one with a temperature control function so it's more energy efficient, however, is this all that temperature control does? Because if I set it at 100C which is it's lowest (room temp generally being 70F) the coil won't be able to be fired up as much as I generally want it. (For normal coils I generally provide 4.3V worth of juice to a 1.8 Ohm coil.) So am I correct that the temp control just makes the temperature control compatible coil as hot as it thinks is ok for the setting it's at? I'm just wondering if it's worth it I'm looking to save money I don't want to waste it. If I got one I would be getting the TC compatible coils.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Do u think its worth it?

 

[edyle]

One of my batteries is dying and I'm thinking of getting one with a temperature control function so it's more energy efficient, however, is this all that temperature control does? Because if I set it at 100C which is it's lowest (room temp generally being 70F) the coil won't be able to be fired up as much as I generally want it. (For normal coils I generally provide 4.3V worth of juice to a 1.8 Ohm coil.) So am I correct that the temp control just makes the temperature control compatible coil as hot as it thinks is ok for the setting it's at? I'm just wondering if it's worth it I'm looking to save money I don't want to waste it. If I got one I would be getting the TC compatible coils.

I'd say hold off;
temperature control is still first generation (requiring uncomfortably low ohm coils);
second generation is already starting to show up.

 

[SomeTexan]

I love temp control. I find that different juices give better flavor at different temps. To me, a complex juice can be different at low and high temps as some of the flavors are more pronounced at different temps. Don't expect better battery life though, my Snow Wolf sucks down batteries and a friends iStick 40tc has far less battery life than his 20 and 30.

But, TC mods also function in vv/vw mode so if TC isn't your thing, you didn't really lose anything. Unless you pay a premium for TC...

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Yep, as said, hold off. Actually, I have two TC mods and I still don't bother with it. I don't remember my last dry hit either.

 

[CG138]

Not to worth it yet in my opinion. I've messed with it on 2 different devices and wasn't satisfied. I like a warm vape though.

 

[SomeTexan]

I'd say hold off;
temperature control is still first generation (requiring uncomfortably low ohm coils);
second generation is already starting to show up.

It isn't a mech mod, why should the ohm's bother you? Sure, if I slapped my .07 ohm Nickel build on a mech there would be problems, but it's a non issue on a TC mod.

 

[SpaceApe]

I'e tried some TC setups that gave me a great satisfying vape and then there are some that were more than lackluster. Like most things in vaping this is subjective.

 

[edyle]

It isn't a mech mod, why should the ohm's bother you? Sure, if I slapped my .07 ohm Nickel build on a mech there would be problems, but it's a non issue on a TC mod.

Contact resistance.

Or perhaps better understood in contemporary vaping lingo as - "voltage drop"

 

[SomeTexan]

Contact resistance.

Or perhaps better understood in contemporary vaping lingo as - "voltage drop"

I personally don't see it as a problem, but it's your choice.

What I do see as a potential problem is the "next generation" of temp control using temp sensors. The first time one gets gummed up and reads low, you have a problem. Using the correct wire, resistance is a great way to measure temp. I would choose resistance based temp control over a sensor system every time.

 

[edyle]

I personally don't see it as a problem, but it's your choice.

What I do see as a potential problem is the "next generation" of temp control using temp sensors. The first time one gets gummed up and reads low, you have a problem. Using the correct wire, resistance is a great way to measure temp. I would choose resistance based temp control over a sensor system every time.

The next generation of temperature control would be the ones that can stop the temperature skyrocketing to a thousand degrees on a dry wick on standard 2 ohm resistance coils.

Among the current generation of tc mods there may be some that are already prepared for that with firmware upgrades if firmware upgrade is the only difference.

Then sooner or later there will be a wire alloy specifically made for vaping.

 

[SomeTexan]

The next generation of temperature control would be the ones that can stop the temperature skyrocketing to a thousand degrees on a dry wick on standard 2 ohm resistance coils.

Among the current generation of tc mods there may be some that are already prepared for that with firmware upgrades if firmware upgrade is the only difference.

Then sooner or later there will be a wire alloy specifically made for vaping.

Standard 2ohm? I've never owned anything with a 2ohm coil. I would go so far as to say .5ohm is the "standard" these days.

Innokin claims that their temp control is the next generation, and it uses a sensor. That is what I based those comments off of. But higher resistance Ti and stainless wire is starting to have temp control options using resistance. We aren't far from higher ohm tc devices.

 

[edyle]

Standard 2ohm? I've never owned anything with a 2ohm coil. I would go so far as to say .5ohm is the "standard" these days.

Innokin claims that their temp control is the next generation, and it uses a sensor. That is what I based those comments off of. But higher resistance Ti and stainless wire is starting to have temp control options using resistance. We aren't far from higher ohm tc devices.

that innokin proprietary thing is nonsense.
the first generation mods using nickel, titanium or whatever and doing tc already with existing hardware, so it's already too late to introduce a mod that does temperature control using entirely different hardware incompatible with all the hardware already out there.

 

[SomeTexan]

that innokin proprietary thing is nonsense.
the first generation mods using nickel, titanium or whatever and doing tc already with existing hardware, so it's already too late to introduce a mod that does temperature control using entirely different hardware incompatible with all the hardware already out there.

I agree 100%. I think it will flop. Hopefully they haven't invested to heavily in it...

When people were talking about a next generation of temp control, I think of a whole different way to measure the temp. We already have resistance based, so minor improvements could make higher resistance wire useable in tc. Not another generation, just updates and improvements to the current generation.

 

[GeorgeS]

The reality is that while 40W @ 0.15ohms is ~16A and 40W @ 1.5ohms is ~5A it could be said that some batteries might last longer with a lower amperage draw.

IMHO: since many of the newly released mods come with a TC feature unless your vendor is trying to extract more money for it or there is a smoking hot deal on prior generation VV/VW mod that you just 'got to have' why not get one that has that as one of its features?

After all, you don't have to use it. I don't know how much Kanthal costs (never bought any) but Ni200 and Ti G1 is cheap enough (unless your purchasing some overpriced "name brand") that its a no-brainer.

 

[sofarsogood]

When you buy another regulated mod get one that has the temp control option. It won't cost any more. If your thing is maximum clouds then may be kanthal has an edge. I don't know. I vape on rda's exclusivey, mouth to lung inhales, and generally at 20 max watts whether it's kanthal or titanium. A .9 ohm titanium build appears to be as efficient as a 1.5 ohm kanthal build at 20 watts (and or 480 degrees). I like the smoothness of TC and with no dry hits I can drip at my convenience.

 

[edyle]

I agree 100%. I think it will flop. Hopefully they haven't invested to heavily in it...

When people were talking about a next generation of temp control, I think of a whole different way to measure the temp. We already have resistance based, so minor improvements could make higher resistance wire useable in tc. Not another generation, just updates and improvements to the current generation.

there is a flood of devices out there with the current generation of tc that will only work with the likes of nickel and titanium.

the next generation I'm calling the ones like the asolo ijoy, that does tc with nickel etc, but also does burn control with kanthal

I just wish somebody would but the functionality into a kick module for me and i'd be good for decades.

 

[edyle]

The reality is that while 40W @ 0.15ohms is ~16A and 40W @ 1.5ohms is ~5A it could be said that some batteries might last longer with a lower amperage draw.

IMHO: since many of the newly released mods come with a TC feature unless your vendor is trying to extract more money for it or there is a smoking hot deal on prior generation VV/VW mod that you just 'got to have' why not get one that has that as one of its features?

After all, you don't have to use it. I don't know how much Kanthal costs (never bought any) but Ni200 and Ti G1 is cheap enough (unless your purchasing some overpriced "name brand") that its a no-brainer.

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Important consideration:
I've seen several mods with tc that are not particularly expensive, and so far, just about all of them have VW, and tc is just an option you *could* use, but don't have to.

 

[Hitcat44]

Is temperature control worth it?

IMO,,,, Yes

Some TC Devices, Rigs, and Set-ups more so than others. Some outright suck. Some are the Real Deal and are truly wonderful. I personally prefer Ti over Ni.
My newest is a Sig 75W TC loaded with a Freemax StarrePro w/Ni and it is really awesome.
Your Opinion(s) may vary. Doesn't confront me or detract from my opinion and experience in the least.

That being said, I also still dig my Mechs & RDA's Kanthal built at @ 0.45 as well.
Just depends on what mood I'm in and the Vape Experience I seek at the time.
To prove the Point,,, there is the above TC Rig, a SXMM & Ti built Erl Konigin, and a Hollowpoint Mech w/13 Heavens & 9 Hells RDA sitting on the Table beside me as I type this.
Been hitting them all.
Variety IS the Spice of the Vape Life

 

[VNeil]

Although TC, set up correctly, eliminates dry hits and cotton wicks last longer, it is also a completely different vape...

In a standard vape, it may take a short interval for the juice to vaporize. After that, the temperature of the coil, and the resulting vape, rises steadily as you vape, until you let go of the fire button. So the end of the vape is hotter than the beginning. If you persist long enough, at enough power, you *may* end in a burnt or dry hit. All depending on how you set up your gear of course.

With TC, the coil is hit with high power (in the default setting), usually 50W or more. That should eliminate the ramp up to start vaporizing, IOW you get instant "full" vape. Then, as long as you continue the draw, the vape temp is constant and your wick should never burn or go dry.

ETA: on my setup (EVIC-VT) my vape starts at 50W for a split second, then quickly declines to 1-10W depending on my temp setting and the residual heat of the coil, and etc's. So the throttling back is quite dramatic and occurs within a second or two of the start of the vape, if not sooner.

Have you ever taken a long hit at moderate to high power and had to stop before you wanted to because the vape was getting too hot? If so you may like TC (and for other reasons too, of course).

Some people like the somewhat cooler vape of a TC mod. You can turn up the temp of course, but it may be hard to simulate the heat you get from a normal and fairly high temp vape.

It is possible that TC vaping is safer than standard vaping. Under the theory that excessive heat may generate toxic chemicals (like aldahydes). That is poorly understood, I think, in terms of the real world and less well understood in your particular case (or mine or anyone else's) since it is all dependent on how hot we vape and how much danger is really involved. So I am NOT suggesting there is any real danger or harm to vaping, just suggesting that you may believe that, or the unknowns could work out that way, and in general, lesser should be better or at least not worse, in terms of vape temp.

Personally I like TC vaping but I also vape a dripper half the time on a normal mod because I do like that heat. And I only vape 25W max unless I'm vaping pure VG, in which case I might go to 35W, never more.