HOW has the Provari not been cloned?

[UncleChuck]

I wouldn't want one, and please let's not get into clone ethics, but it just struck me today how is it possible that the Provari hasn't been cloned yet?

I know the Vmax was kinda a clone, similar appearance and function, as well as the later Zmaxes both Smoktech and sigelei, but today we are seeing 1:1 near exact replicas of tons of different devices, but not the Provari? It's a very popular, well known, and expensive device, which should make it ripe for cloning, yet nothing.

I wouldn't expect them to get the board anywhere near that of a Provari, but they would have no issue copying 1:1 the entire body and external design and sticking the old 33hz chip in there, and I'm sure it would sell.

Does Provari hold an ancient secret that allows them to fight cloners with some sort of dark magic? Does the Provari command such great respect even the Chinese refuse to make an exact copy? Kind of a looking into the sun type of thing?

In all seriousness I do find it very surprising we haven't seen a 1:1 Provari copy out there, anyone agree?

 

[footbag]

That's a very good question.

 

[Spazmelda]

I was wondering this the other day when I was looking at all the clones out there...

 

[Talyon]

One thing I've noticed is that there is only so many vv or vv/VW units made out there, do a count of each, not including ego and that there are way more mechanicls, perhaps it's easier and way cheaper to clone a simple mech vs a vv or vv/VW mod?

 

[Jugband]

That never occurred to me! Yeah! Why is there no clone????

 

[Lexx]

Have wondered the same thing.

It is a bit odd, a good clone would sell by the container load.

 

[UncleChuck]

One thing I've noticed is that there is only so many vv or vv/VW units made out there, do a count of each, not including ego and that there are way more mechanicls, perhaps it's easier and way cheaper to clone a simple mech vs a vv or vv/VW mod?

There could be something to that, but it would seem like a mech would require more actual machine time and tooling. With a APV all you really need is a tube with a battery cap, and a 510 cap (usually press-fit on APVs like the Provari, Vamo, Zmax, etc, so a bit easier to make) both of which you also need on a mech, but a mech usually requires many more small finely made and threaded parts compared to an APV.

They already have the chip, and perhaps the chip-to-tube interface might take some effort but I'd imagine they could just model the inside of the tube to match the inside of a model they already make so the chip would be a drop in.

Either way, there are clones and new designs of APVs being produced by china, so it must be profitable, and it seems like cloning one of the kings of the APV world would be the first thing they would do (although they kinda already did with the vmax, but you know what I mean)

I could understand not cloning the Semovar as it's a pretty uncommon device, but there was talk of the DNA 30 clone, imagine a DNA 30 clone inside a Provari body, at normal China clone prices, it seems like it would be one of the top selling low priced APVs.

Unless people just really aren't fond of the way the Provari looks (the category I fall into) and mainly buy it for it's reliability and other things a clone wouldn't offer.

Either way I'm still very surprised heh.

 

[Penn]

Wow, two viral thread hot button issues in one title!

One important question - What would you consider a clone to be? You said not the same board. What are the other features of a Provari?

Tube shape and made of metal - many out there.
Horrible one button interface - many out there.
510 connector that seats larger devices flush but has airflow - many out there.
Can use an assortment of 18XXX batteries - many out there.
High price - a few out there.
Bragging rights - not so much out there?

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Theory: As you move up into the price/feature chain the market gets smaller. In other words... the clones would be competing for an already smaller crowd.

Nothing to base this on mind you. Do other high-end mods get cloned?

 

[NerdVap0r]

Wires & Chip .

Mechs are less hassle for cloners than mods

 

[Funk Dracula]

Well, it could be that the Provari is kind of ugly. The way the display is just screwed in there.

Also, the lack of airflow and an eGo connection.

I'm thinking, that China is thinking, that they can do it better?

I'd say from a "looks" department, and connection department (eGo/airflow) they have.

 

[bluecat]

I wondered the same a few months ago. I thought maybe they had a patent. After an hour searching, I found nothing.

Maybe it's just popular in the US and not a big enough market world wide to clone.

No clue..either way it is ugly in my mind.

 

[ScottP]

I think the Smoktech SID is a close clone at least in looks but doubt it is much of a clone in quality.

 

[sneakerpimp]

they no longer make a chip with that few features??

 

[JJOOHHNN]

I don't like this thread.

 

[Baditude]

Theory: As you move up into the price/feature chain the market gets smaller. In other words... the clones would be competing for an already smaller crowd.

Nothing to base this on mind you. Do other high-end mods get cloned?

This.


What would be the point of trying to clone a Provari?

Look at what the Chinese manufacturers have been putting out. Their business philosophy has been "We'll make'm cheap, you'll buy'm cheap. If they break, you'll buy another." The Chinese manufacturers focus on quantity of sales, not on quality of product. Marketing a higher class mod (ie more expensive) is not what China is focused on.

Make one that looks like a Provari? The Smoktech and Segelei ZMax have already done that.




Make one that performs like a Provari? The MVP and V3 have come close. Most of the others use the cheap 33.3 hz chip.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/488840-rattlesnake-effect-why-cheapo-vv-exception-itaste-mvp-dont-vape-same-provari-dna20d.html

Warranty and support: The Chinese will never be able to compete with Provape with these factors. In fact, they don't even try.

Product and Manufacturing Cost Factor: Have you ever held a Provari in one hand and a Chinese-made mod in the other? The parts and materials used in Chinese-made mods are of a cheaper grade than the parts/materials of the US-made Provari. (Bring on the flamers). Just the attention to detail and machining for things like the threading are miles apart.

Provape uses US-made stainless steel bar stock to produce the tubes, top caps, bottom caps, and connectors. Only certain electrical components for the circuit board not available from the US are from other countries. The military-grade processor is fine-tuned to 800 hz PWM. Only the finest parts & materials available are used in the Provari. This makes it one of the most reliable, dependable, and durable regulated mods in the world. The Provari would be too expensive to duplicate, and doesn't fit the business model of the Chinese.

Provari: Made in the USA

The Provape Team Interview by Spinfuel Magazine

Why Provari?

 

[Nikkita6]

Isn't the Semovar kind of a Provari clone??

 

[sneakerpimp]

 

[Technohydra]

Alternate theory; to clone a Provari, the manufacturer would likely not be able to make the boards in-house. This means that their ability to produce the clones would be dependant on another vendor, both driving up the cost to make and making it possible that there production could be halted by said other vendor.

There are also wires to soldier and chips to test, all of which take time and money. Much easier to run off hundreds of mech from the cnc machines and pay a lot of people a little money to assemble them.

 

[Vaep]

Does Provari hold an ancient secret that allows them to fight cloners with some sort of dark magic? Does the Provari command such great respect even the Chinese refuse to make an exact copy?

Obviously the Provarinati