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Shintei

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Depends on all sorts of variables.
30w may be too much power for the resistance, airflow, pg/vg ratio, nic mg/ml etc...
Trying to MTL on a delivery device designed for DTL will be harsh / hot.

We'd need to know what you're using & how to give much advice.

I'm gonna be honest I have no idea what most of these settings mean, I have 1.406 amps, 0.418 ohms, 0.588 volt. It's a smok alien 220w tv8
 
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high wattage is mostly pointless imho. It came about because of the whole cloud chaser competition phenomena where people blow gigantic clouds of zero nic unflavored juice from gigantic multi coil atomizers for literally no reason other than to create large clouds.

making a usable high wattage setup requires low nic high vg juice, very low resistances and tends to create puffy but flavorless vapor.

youre resistance of ~.42 is a bit high for a high wattage device. I suspect you will get your best vape somewhere in the 20w range with that.
 

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Most likely would've been easier to start vaping with a more simple set up, I assume it came with an instruction manual.
Set it to watt mode, start off low & work your way up to find what you like best.
The 'tank' it came with is a DTL (direct to lung) inhale style, hard fast deep inhale, must move a lot of air through it to keep it cool. If you prefer a smoother, longer, slower less airy inhale/vape you'll need a different tank.

What is your liquids pg/vg ratio & nic mg/ml?
 

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The high wattage huge cloud sucking down the juice thing doesn't interest me much. I vape single coil .5 ohm at about 22 watts. I get plenty of clouds and great flavor. Do what you want. If the high wattage thing isn't working for you then go in a different direction. One of the nice things about vaping is that there is no one way to do it. You got choices.
 

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Are you using the tank that came with the alien? If so, it comes with the baby beast. I am a mtl vaper, but have a baby beast using the .6Ω coil that was given to me. It is a cloud maker and I too have difficulty using it on a regular basis. Great flavor, but not something I use all day. You might try adjusting the airflow to limit the amount of vapor.
 
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high wattage is mostly pointless imho. It came about because of the whole cloud chaser competition phenomena where people blow gigantic clouds of zero nic unflavored juice from gigantic multi coil atomizers for literally no reason other than to create large clouds.

making a usable high wattage setup requires low nic high vg juice, very low resistances and tends to create puffy but flavorless vapor.

youre resistance of ~.42 is a bit high for a high wattage device. I suspect you will get your best vape somewhere in the 20w range with that.

yeah, I agree with you for the most part. However I find the cloud helps a lot with flavor.

that being said, I run 75 watts on my regulated and I'll run higher on my mechs. It really depends on application.

more metal needs more heat.
 
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Most likely would've been easier to start vaping with a more simple set up, I assume it came with an instruction manual.
Set it to watt mode, start off low & work your way up to find what you like best.
The 'tank' it came with is a DTL (direct to lung) inhale style, hard fast deep inhale, must move a lot of air through it to keep it cool. If you prefer a smoother, longer, slower less airy inhale/vape you'll need a different tank.

What is your liquids pg/vg ratio & nic mg/ml?
60% vg / 40% pg, 3mg nic
 
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How do people vape on high wattage? ...

You have to consider what Type of Coil(s) some people are using.

If I put 2 Low Gauge or Multiple Wire High Mass Coils into an atomizer, 30 watts might not even make the Coils Warm. Because the Resistance is so Low.

As the Resistance gets Lower and Lower, I can pass More and More voltage thru a coil without it heating up. And if I could get to 0.0 Ohms, I could run an Infinite amount of Voltage thru the Coil without any Heat. Because the Heat is the 1LOT Result of the Resistance.

Now do you Need to run such High Mass/Low Resistance Coils to get a Good Hit or Huge Clouds?

I Don't think you do. But that is Debatable. And falls into that YMMV thing.
 
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Even the term "high wattage" is ambiguous now. I know folks with para-series mech mods that are pumping upwards to 500W through coils. I don't get it, but they do it. If you watch Mooch's videos he recommends somewhere between 60 and 80 watts per battery even in regulated mods. This really puts the 225W common mod in question. I've toyed with "higher" wattages a little myself and above about 80W I find the return greatly diminishes even in terms of cloud production. It is also a great recipe for those who like to swap out batteries constantly. Truth be told, most mods/builds will hot develop that 225W on the screen of the mod but psychologically, it must be a rush.

Here's an example of test results on a mod. The screen would always read 200W
 

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I'd be inclined myself to purchase a "true" MTL tank and try vaping higher nicotine at much lower wattage, and see if you prefer it. You can put a MTL tank on the mod you have, you will just get much better battery life.

Some good, higher resistance tanks include the Nautilus 2 (comes with a 1.8 coil for a more restricted hit, and a 0.7 coil which is a bit more cloudy, and you'd likely run that coil at slightly higher wattage. If the heat and volume of vapor is making you cough, then a MTL tank is likely going to be easier to manage (at first, and it may become your preference anyway.) Other good starter tanks include the Ijoy elf tank which takes Nautlius 2 coils and does a slightly better job on flavor, capacity and ease of topfilling. You could try a Kabuki tank (I would start with a clone at Fasttech first if you do that, as the originals are very expensive). Great flavor, also takes the N2 coils, but slightly larger capacity. Flavor machine, but bottom fill (although, easy bottom fill). Could also look at an Ego One Mega tank, only don't use the coils provided, you would want to buy separately a box of Joytech CLR coils (I would start with the 1.0 ones, although there is also a 0.5 coil if you want slightly more clouds). Great flavor though, and good longevity of coils, that are also really easy to rewick and refill, so they are cost effective as well.

Best of luck,

Anna
 

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Welcome to ECF @Shintei !

As has been stated, there are many variables to vaping. To some, 30 watts is high and others may say 80 watts is low. It all depends on your gear and what you like.

Assuming you are using the tank that came with the Alien kit (TFV8 Baby Beast), or pretty much any tank using a 0.5Ω coil. By chance did you fire it with wattage above 80 watts or, heaven forbid, upwards of 200 watts? If you did, chances are you scorched the cotton in the coil and it will be harsh and/or taste bad no matter what wattage you change it to. If you started out at or below 30 watts, did you prime the coil before use? If not, we can give details on the procedure, but that could scorch the cotton as well.

If you primed and broke in the coil well and kept the wattage down, it could be that your body is just transitioning from smoke to vapor.
 

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I'm gonna be honest I have no idea what most of these settings mean, I have 1.406 amps, 0.418 ohms, 0.588 volt. It's a smok alien 220w tv8

Way too .......n high dude. I'm assuming you mean 5.88 volts.

Try to adjust the wattage until you get 4.2 volts and then go up or down based on taste.

You can use this rule of thumb on almost anything.
 
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I'm gonna be honest I have no idea what most of these settings mean, I have 1.406 amps, 0.418 ohms, 0.588 volt. It's a smok alien 220w tv8
Lets break down the terminology being used here:

The Smok Alien is a regulated mod. In a nutshell, that means it has variable power. You can adjust the power output settings (wattage) to the vaping experience that you prefer. Inside the mod is a microchip or mini-computer which does calculations and regulates the power output based upon the settings you set.

In a nutshell, wattage (power) is equal to the voltage squared divided by the resistance of the atomizer. In a variable wattage device, the microchip reads the resistance of the atomizer and calculates the voltage needed based on your wattage setting. I know that sounds complicated, but you don't really have to understand that part.​

Wattage - wattage is a calculation; the amount of power (work) that will go through your atomizer to heat up the coil.

Voltage - voltage is the level of power (force) coming out of the battery.

Ohms = measured unit of resistance of a wire coil. Determines the amount of electrical current that will pass through the coil and thereby determines the amount of heat generated by the coil.

Amps - amperage is the total amount of electrical current a battery has to give.

Ohm's Law Explained for Vapers


TIP OF THE DAY: High Wattage Vaping -- just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
 
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high wattage is mostly pointless imho. It came about because of the whole cloud chaser competition phenomena where people blow gigantic clouds of zero nic unflavored juice from gigantic multi coil atomizers for literally no reason other than to create large clouds.

making a usable high wattage setup requires low nic high vg juice, very low resistances and tends to create puffy but flavorless vapor.

youre resistance of ~.42 is a bit high for a high wattage device. I suspect you will get your best vape somewhere in the 20w range with that.
This my friend is subjective , i do about 80 watts max (high for some and not to others) i have as much flavor than a mtl setups imho and the bigger clouds satisfy me much more than what I'd get from a normal setup.
TLDR: i love my dual claptons and would never sacrifice it for anyone i get tons of flavor and it suits me well,i just know its not for everyone including OP imho.
 
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