Heat not Burn

[James Henson]

Hey guys,

Been looking at some of the heat not burn products like iqos. I know there are a few others out there like glo and they seem interesting so I was wondering whether anyone has any experience with them?

I'm considering getting iqos but would love to hear from anyone else's experience? Essentially are there any downsides to them really?

Thanks!

 

[djsvapour]

Essentially are there any downsides to them really?

Hello @James Henson

Yes, there will be downsides. This is tobacco companies we are talking about.

They have spent (so far) $300,000,000 on developing this product.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/philip-morris-e-cigarette-2016-11

It's going to be very expensive. That is for sure. Look at what they did with Vaping products... utterly smashed the known prices for refills. Vype, Mark ten, Vuse - products which represent such intolerably bad value for money they barely made it onto the runway, let alone take off.

They will want the money off you for not smoking. It's going to hurt and then hurt some more.

I am a vaper and my bias is towards non-tobacco-company products so I believe;
"Enslave yourself (financially) to big tobacco, or be free. The choice is simple."

I bet there are many positive reviews going up all over the internet about how good they are. Most will be commission-incentivized and therefore fake, like much of what goes on in the vaping world.

Not saying they won't be better than smoking (for health) but in all consciousness, I can only see one outcome here... your money, their pockets - if you don't want to smoke and can't/won't vape then the cash register is warming up to take your money and plummet you back into the spiral of spending.

Clearly, a wealthy person may not care. Leonardo DiCaprio was seemingly happy to buy disposables and cig-a-likes and spend without reservation. Look what he vapes on now? Tobacco lost that one, because the products are absolutely terrible. Will this really be better? (Probably... but very different in experience no doubt)

You can only buy one and find out. But, don't believe the reviews (just like many vaping reviews) and do it in all sincerity because if this is your chosen option out of smoking, then you can be assured nobody will ever criticize you... even a zero-tolerance vaper.

Good luck.

 

[Eskie]

What does DeCaprio vape on? I saw a photo of him holding it once, and other than a large shiny tube mod, couldn't make out what s actually was.

As for IQOS, a lot of money has gone into that product, and I've yet to read a rave review about it. Then again, I think it's only being sold in the retail market of Japan, but as usual, I could be wrong on that as well.

 

[SteveS45]

I believe Phillip Morris is the company behind he IQOS but for me it is too close to actually smoking and I avoid WTA e-Liquids because they are too close. Dry hits with that would be smoking in my opinion.

 

[Continuity]

What does DeCaprio vape on? I saw a photo of him holding it once, and other than a large shiny tube mod, couldn't make out what s actually was.

Not sure, but last year, in 2016, he was vaping on what looks to me to be something like an Innokin MVP with some kind of half-decent looking tank on it (a genny of some kind?):

 

[Continuity]

I wouldn't bother with that Big Tobacco ripoff system - I would honestly just get a decent mod like an Eleaf Pico or an eVic vTwo Mini and then pick out a nice MTL-style tank to start with. That should get you going nicely, and also provide an element of future-proofing.

You really don't want to be locked in to some expensive, poorly-performing proprietary vaping platform.

 

[Bahiaboy]

Tried the IQOS ! Thought it was awful .... Nothing at all like smoking very weak and flavour less ! and not comparable to Vaping in any shape or form !
Pain in the Neck with all the Charging,all the lights and pre heating the Heets sticks ! Very time consuming and inconvenient system ..... It seems to be popular over in Japan ?

 

[James Henson]

Tried the IQOS ! Thought it was awful .... Nothing at all like smoking very weak and flavour less ! and not comparable to Vaping in any shape or form !
Pain in the Neck with all the Charging,all the lights and pre heating the Heets sticks ! Very time consuming and inconvenient system ..... It seems to be popular over in Japan ?

Yeah I read that it is doing pretty well over in Japan.

What about in comparison to normal cigs? Do you have any thoughts on the how long it (heetsticks / batter) lasts or anything like that? I've heard that's not great but I guess there must be something going for it if its doing so well over there!

Thanks

 

[djsvapour]

As for IQOS, a lot of money has gone into that product, and I've yet to read a rave review about it.

One of the fake review sites... (you know these leeches that get up in the morning and decide to rip-off newbie people with the help of certain evil vaping companies) wrote a big "Introducing iQOS" sort or article and promised to review it ASAP.
Yup, well that never happened - which is surprising given 1) how much the device is and 2) how much commission a $300 million product would consider paying to these low-life review charlatans.

I'd have thought that plenty of the so-called 'experts' in vaping & vape reviews who enjoy seeing people pay $119 for a $29 Kangertech pen e-cig would love the chance to push a tobacco company product onto the unsuspecting.

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Am I going too far? Forgive me me @James Henson
The Vaping industry has too many sharks all fighting over some small fish for a few $$.
People get ripped off every day and the community does next to nothing.

iQOS will be different (could be good and/or could be bad) but sooner or later someone is going to start making out how brilliant it is - this is how the industry works.

Vaping is deeply 'not cool' in Japan and if the Japanese stopped smoking, their economy would die a painful death and the the country would literally fall apart.
Japan tobacco have vacuum cleanered multiple e-cigarette brands around the globe for eye-watering amounts of money. They bought the #1 UK cig-a-like for million of pounds.
That cig-a-like has almost no buyers today and virtually no market at all. Japan tobacco made the original owners multi-millionaires (undeservedly so) buying a product which was already close to total collapse.
Why would they buy e-cig firms with no future for vast sums of money?

I think we call it razing (burning) the crops to start again. Destroy everything so you can grow what you want and sell it to the people for as much money as possible.

 

[Bahiaboy]

Nothing at all like real cigs in my opinion ! You just don't get that " Draw" like you do on a real cig or even the Vape experience !
Another very big downside is that once you have heated up the Heet Stick you have about 5 Mins before it cuts out !
Its really not like a real cig experience .... You get paranoid trying to work out how long you have left lol
Price wise the Heet Sticks are the same price as normal cigs
I honestly could not see any benefit with this system over Vaping and given the choice I would probably use real cigs over the IQOS system ..... however I'm sure it will work for some !

 

[Continuity]

The Japanese (for the most part) are *not* known for being on the cutting edge of vaping - knowing Japan, that device probably had a slick PR campaign that appealed to the Japanese psyche, and/or had significant star endorsement.

If you want something that feels like a real cigarette, get yourself a decent MTL single-coil tank and a nice mod to use it with, like an eLeaf Pico or an eVic vTwo Mini - something along those lines.

 

[opticruby]

Hello @James Henson. Welcome to ECF. Glad to have you on the forum with us.

You get paranoid trying to work out how long you have left

^^^ this part would drive me crazy,lol. Knowing I only had 5mins to smoke it.

 

[BlueMoods]

Okay, so with the cost, only way to save money would be to first vape the heat sticks, then turn around and light them and smoke the like cigarettes too. I'm sure you can't get all of the nicotine out in the heater and, none of the other stuff that get people hooked on tobacco so, seems to me people will heat them then, light them.

Also 80 bucks for that?! That's, at best, 80 bucks for a cigalike - I'm not THAT crazy. I can go buy a cheap mod like a NEBOX for 20 buck. The six bucks for heatsticks could get me 30 mils of cheap juice o, DIY juice.

I get that BT doesn't want to loose out - maybe they need to build good mods and, do WTA juice - there is a market for that, it uses tobacco in the manufacturing process, and, they can affort whatever the FDA throws at them.

I hate to say it but, even non WTA juice could be good for them simply because they can deal with regulations. Even that would be better than no vape at all.

 

[djsvapour]

The Japanese (for the most part) are *not* known for being on the cutting edge of vaping - knowing Japan, that device probably had a slick PR campaign that appealed to the Japanese psyche, and/or had significant star endorsement.

Very likely.
It also helps when your main tobacco company buys out vaping companies (in a loss making exercise) with no intention of promoting this product in your own country.
The Japanese might like the 'tech' of both e-cigs and heat-not-burn but when nobody is promoting vaping and there were a few notable failures when Japanese 'brands' attempted to sell prehistoric vaping devices for insane money... there's not really much left to ponder.
Japan loves to smoke. The government needs the taxes. There must be very little will to test vaping on the public when a major tobacco company has already declared heat-not-burn an 'e-cig'....
It's re-inventing the 'e-cig' for money. Health is secondary.

 

[BrotherBob]

Hey guys,
Been looking at some of the heat not burn products like IQOS. I know there are a few others out there like glo and they seem interesting so I was wondering whether anyone has any experience with them?
I'm considering getting IQOS but would love to hear from anyone else's experience? Essentially are there any downsides to them really?
Thanks!

Welcome and glad you joined. Not familiar with HNB products, but anything that weans us off smoking can't be all bad.

 

[Smoke_too_much]

Looks to be a remake of of a dry herb vaporizer. Certainly nothing new in that, except for the tobacco that is.

 

[djsvapour]

Looks to be a remake of of a dry herb vaporizer. Certainly nothing new in that, except for the tobacco that is.

So, perhaps not 300 zillion dollars development then? They wouldn't lie about that, would they?

 

[djsvapour]

Welcome and glad you joined. Not familiar with HNB products, but anything that weans us off smoking can't be all bad.

No, it can't be all bad. I'm not saying don't buy it. So - I agree, yes

I'm saying... go into it with your eyes open and with sincerity.

t.b.h. I am very surprised that certain parasites in our community haven't started foisting it on the unwary on their wonderfully non-independent vaping review shill sites.