I think for me there are a few things that don't sit well.
I'll start by saying sorry it was a very disorganized post that probably didn't make a lot of sense because I had 1 million thoughts going on and I was just really shocked m. so I apologize for that and I also don't mean to be down on it so hard. Its hard not to be.
I think when you see a company who has designed and created something you love and they come out with a new product or new design even if it's different you think "well everybody said the first one wasn't going to be any good- its cheap 3d printed overpriced garbage" and it was fantastic so you give the new one a shot thinking any company who did the last version wouldn't release something bad because they got so much right last time. Changes must be evolutionary and positive.
Unfortunately my experience is the exact opposite of mY positive excitement fir the v2
I was so sure that they found a way to make the silicone shell work well and not feel cheap and terrible i convinced a friend to try boxer by informing him that despite the idea that it's going to feel cheap they found a way to make 3-D printed feel good work well and have serious advantages last time so this time they probably made it even better. So buy it and if you don't like it I'll buy it from you because I was gonna buy one anyway.
So being that positive and a huge advocate who had been waiting and waiting. I wad going to get the 60 but mu friend wanted 75 so
I committed to it as I'm not a big fan of bottom screens anyway
So a couple things that sit badly with me about the product . Not even the design. .
Production cost of a silicon exterior like this is typically in the cents range. Not dollars. So you charge $15-25 for it (everyone had to make money so no argument) but you better. Make it ad good as possible. And its far far away from as good as possible.
Can start with the seam. Its massive. Terribly positioned. Snd completely unfinished. The silicon shell has the appearance of a super cheapie iPad cover from china. If you're charging a 1500% markup in silicon. Spend a minute and deal With the seam. Plan and think about how it is joined. Show me why that markup
Exists other than. Cuz - more $$$. The way it looks adds a ton of credibility to those saying boxer did this design as a cash grab
Ill show you what i mean. Ive been fixing the external "shell" which it shouldn't be called shells are hard. . .
Here is how the join looks (well its way worse i did work on this area and its halfway finished) i didnt tske a before i dont think. . So this is the worst part have left. And fir $15 let alone $25 its no where near good enough. Double the extrusion and make it ratty with stray buts if silicon and you have the ides.
So the seam was probably raised over half a mm and it runs the entire center of the shell. Its visible. In black. Its annoying when touched. Its super cheap.
Less than five mins with a scotch brite scour pad (these remove the oily look on silicon too btw) and it is seriously minimized in appearance and undetectable to the touch. So for $15-25 they couldn't get the factory in china making these to run some personnel to finish them ? Driving the parts cost from cents to A dollar maybe ?
Heres what a touch of effort does. The seam runs dead center down this handle area. That area probably took thirty seconds to deal with.
So ill stop this post there as its very long already. But this js he big "selling point" . People we clamkrin for. And its a big aesthetic error. It immediately makes rhe mod look so cheao to have a mm raised seam around he center of everything. So right from the go. Cheap cheap cheap,,, but three times the orice of this dna 75 mod.
Why is the bixer 3x + the proce if it? Better internals? Sake chip. Better case? Super cheap plastic. Design? Subjective. Ergonomics. It doesnt come close to the smy as the buttons are a disaster. .
I can go on and on and on section by section ripping his apart on almost every frontbut hats not the point.
The point is to tell anyone who lived their original boxer which is one if the greatest mods if all time .
Don't assume because the first one was so great they created another home run in the v2.
I do know some chips are available in both snd fir anyone ordering one of those chips its my opinion you should run to the v1 / classic and if you need more protection buy that add on sleeve which is. It required.
Im distraught this dna75 mod costs $150. Its awful. And i love my v1 and was sooooooo excited!! Disaster. I just cant imagine a customer over the age if 20 who isnt camping and became a fan with v1 who thinks of this whole design fiasco as good.
My fried i commit d to buy from if he didn't like it lasted no time at all wither. And he will likely newer try boxer again. Which would be a shame if they come to their senses for v3
Surely they could release a hard printed shell to replace this silicon in retrofit.
I seriously have a headache after reading this post. But I think i sifted through all the typos/spelling and (kind of) understand what you are trying to say. Are you OK?
I first discovered the Boxer Mods through ECF here and the thread from @jstrong…..and glad I did. I have owned / own almost every single one of their units and have the DNA167 currently in transit from them. As fas a customer service is concerned GV is top notch and better than almost any other company (this industry or others) that I have ever dealt with. I get answers to my emails usually within minutes (no matter what time of day or night) and shipping confirmations also within minutes of my order. Even once going as far a meeting me on a Sunday to drop off a unit because my anxiety didn’t allow for it to ship on Monday and wait until Tuesday.
For the Classic and V2’s, first and foremost, there is no forcing you or anyone to buy one over the other. If you prefer the styling of the classic, you buy the classic. If you prefer the styling of the V2, you buy the V2. Whats so hard? But you go on a rant because you personally do not like one style as much as the other? Would you also go on a rant with say Porsche because you do not like Yellow and they offer a Yellow car? Some people like Yellow. If you don’t, well you buy a different color.
While I am not in manufacturing, I do represent quite a few. And your pricing analysis is so far off. To start, while you may think because it is nylon it is cheaper than die-cast. Wrong. The material and printing process in MUCH more expensive. And that doesn't factor in the $250,000.00 cost of the printer itself. Next, this is not a mass produced Chinese Mod but a custom hand built (in America) mod. When you are dealing in hundreds and not tens of thousands manufacturing costs increase exponentially. The sleeves / shells….. you have design fees, mold fees, production set up fees, assembly line fees, etc… Pennies to produce? Maybe for the manufacturer themselves AFTER everything else is paid off. This is not an iStick that millions are sold. Come on, this is common sense.
Now…… I recall a few of your posts months ago. About how you bought a kit and assembled it bad or wrong and how GV at no cost and at their expense soldered and assemble it for you. Also about how you later dropped or broke your unit afterwards? So I am guessing you too must have had the same type of excellent service I have. But throwing blame to them because YOU recommended a product sight unseen simply because it had a “2” after it? LOL. I bet if that was a V2 it’d still be in one piece.
Now again, there is no argument from me. This is all personal option and there is no right or wrong. GV offers both styles for BOTH opinions. But mine is the complete 100% opposite of yours. I have 8 different Boxers in my collection. And each and every day when I leave for work, i take one of my V2 units with me. It is smaller, lighter. better gripping and I can feel comfortable knowing it will take much more abuse. Don’t need to worry about it dropping either. If I get tired of the Black, I swap to Blue or Green. In a funky mood, I change to Blood Splatter or the Glass Mosaic. $15 is a bit cheaper than an extra $200+ for another one. If you don’t like the price or think it is too expensive, you don’t need to get extras either. Just stick with the one that it comes with for free. And a seem? Really? What mod doesn't have a seem? If you have a battery door there is a much bigger seem between the door and the unit. Not to mention the possibility of juice leaking through there too. I’d guess thats because of the shape of the shell (as any other silicone sleeve for any companies mod) it needs to be fused together from two pieces. You’re going to have a seem. But to one’s eye (and mine) it is nothing like the blown up closeup photo of yours. My yihi has it on the sides too and it is hardly even seen (on multiple units). And I would love to see you do this with your V1 unit or ANY other mod for that matter.
I absolutely commend GV on the V2 units. They somehow took my favorite mod and made it even better! Obviously they listen to customers and their requests and actually do something about it. And quickly too. I still have not seen any other manufacturer, even the GIANTS offer a unit with the new Evolv chip and not to forget the new yihi 550 chip that I can't wait to get my hands on. Am I a fanboy…..YES! And deservingly so. They just do it….and right.
when it's dirty now.
